Wind: Holding off vertically

[INShooter]

IMO the most important thing is to have a rifle capable of shooting 1/4 MOA or preferably better. You can't discern what the wind will do if you have no confidence in what your rifle will do. 1/4" rifles are a rarity no matter what keyboard shooters will tell you.

^^^^THIS!!!

 

[D Coots]

Shooting 100 and 200 yd group. It's amazing how you can "get away" without much verticle hold at 100, but you need to exercise more care with verticle hold or it will eat you up @200.

Later
Dave

 

[Brians356]

Shooting 100 and 200 yd group. It's amazing how you can "get away" without much verticle hold at 100, but you need to exercise more care with verticle hold or it will eat you up @200.

Later
Dave

I've observed portions of a few 600 and 1000 yd BR group matches here (usually variable wind) and noticed a lot of rapid fire being employed. I'm beginning to grasp why.
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[Greyfox]

I’m confused here , perhaps you’ll help me understand what you’re saying,
Firstly in your opinion a 1/4 Moa or better rifle is the most important thing to instill confidence because you can’t discern the wind without it, but then you say 1/4 rifles are only on line??

My quote shows that I said a rarity, not nonexistent.

RICK

 

[Warren Dean]

Poodle fight!! Poodle fight!!!

 

[Greyfox]

Ok .
But your still saying two different things are you not.

Well, I don't think so, but I'll see if I can make it clearer. Of course, this is just my opinion and worth what you pay for it.

IME a rifle that is either out of tune or ssimply doesn't have the accuracy potential to shoot 1/4 MOA or better will not consistently do what the wind charts indicate. I said that 1/4 MOA rifles are rare. Please allow me to clarify that. I think that it is safe to say that there are virtually no factory rifles that can be relied upon to shoot 1/4 MOA consistently. Further, military production rifles like ARs also fall into that category. Only custom rifles designed and built properly will consistently shoot 1/4 MOA and most of these will be chambered in commonly used benchrest chamberings. This might include 6 & 22 PPC, 6 & 30 BR, and variations etc. Most of these rifles are owned by folks who regularly compete in some form of benchrest competition (most, but not all). If you calculate all of the shooters involved in some form of benchrest competition you still come up with a tiny number as compared with the total numbers of gun owners in this country. One other point I might add. A well known group & score shooter said a while back that in his experience less than 75% of the rifles that came to the line in competition were in tune and therefore incapable of winning a match. If you check the scores at the major benchrest matches you will see that a significant number do not shoot a .250 agg. This is in national competition with the best shooters and firearms in the world. You can blame this on conditions, equipment malfunctions or whatever, but the fact remains that the score is what it is. Proof - SCOREBOARD I shoot in Ultimate Benchrest Competition, which is a relatively small number of shooters in the south central US. We will be starting our 9th or 10th season starting in March. I don't have the total number of matches, but it is significant. Total shooters in a year would probably be about 300 or a little less. There are four classes of rifles. During that nine years or so, if memory serves, there have been less than a dozen perfect scores in two classes. The other two have none. In theory, a rifle capable of shooting a .358 group could possibly shoot a perfect score, but this has only happened about a dozen times. Many of these shooters are world class and have won in competiton in other organizations. The rifles are the same ones shot in other benchrest organizations.

So, to repeat, comparing the number of proven 1/4 MOA rifles to the total number of long guns a 1/4 MOA rifle IMO is a rarity. Feel free to question or correct my conclusions. I have been known to be mistaken now and then.

Rick

 

[JFrank]

Rick
I’m sorry to even put ya through that , great clarification and thank you very much.
Now I just gotta find me one of them 1/4 minute rifles.. lol
Much respect
Jim

 

[Greyfox]

Rick
I’m sorry to even put ya through that , great clarification and thank you very much.
Now I just gotta find me one if 1/4 minute rifles.. lol
Much rest
Jim

No problem. Wrting things out helps clarify my thoughts. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm right
Rick