Discussion in 'Reloading Forum (All Calibers)' started by vmaxpro, Aug 23, 2016.
Its nice to see someone in the know give the dealo!
Well, glad I started this thread. Thank you Kevin! Can you imagine the internet pissin matches between the creedmoor and x47 if they went with a small primer pocket! Either way, very excited to hear!
If they did. Might as well retire the 47.
At present, unless we determine there to be any issues with this, we are looking at Small rifle Primers, with the 1.5mm/.060" flash hole, the same size we've used in the 308 Palma, 6mm BR, 6,5x47L and 220 Russian cases. There were several of us that pushed for this, so I'm hoping for the best.
Be my guest.
Not at all. It still has its place, and I doubt that the 6.5 Creedmoor would replace the 6,5x47L, though they definitely do cover much of the same territory. Yeah, we looked at that.
Very interesting Kevin, and a smart move I'd say. I really look forward to its appearing.
Very smart. I dont see the x47 going anywhere. Cant wait!!
I agree. Certainly, Europe will still buy the 6.5x47. Sometimes 'Mericans forget about that place.
I think the Bench shooters will still prefer the 47 if the cm comes with a large primer pocket. Better case fill ratios too.
Even with a small primer, there will be people who prefer it. The neck is longer, which is nice. And it will fit into more magazines with long bullets in front of the donut than the Creedmoor will. If I wasn't shooting a Savage with 3" mag length, I would be more interested in the x47.
Perhaps, in time, people will swing to Creedmoor and leave .260 and x47 behind in America. But I doubt it. The 260 offers a lot more steam, especially in AI trim. And the x47 will always have brass available due to the Euro market, so it'll be at least as popular as the 6.5x55, even if it wanes a bit.
I do think the commercial success of the 6.5 Creedmoor will continue. Most of us who are used to buying barrels chambered to our liking forget just how many people only buy and shoot guns with a factory barrel. We shoot more rounds than them, but they buy more factory ammo, and they buy a lot more rifles.
As soon as 6.5 Creedmoor is fully established with a complete line of hunting ammo from the major players, I think .260 will cease to be a factory offering. Remington seeing the light and chambering for 6.5 Creedmoor can't be far off, although I imagine it will be a long time before they no longer offer a .260 R700.
The fact that 6.5 Creedmoor fits so nicely in an AR10 helps, too. That's a huge market. Especially for ammo.
Honestly, between the two, I'm inclined to think the 6,5x47L is the better cartridge. But we're talking very minor differences here, and probably not much that'll be apparent in the "real world." Laying down behind either with irons at 600 I seriously doubt you'd be able to tell which was which, if someone were to load the rifle for you. Ditto for a scoped gun, for that matter. But the requests for the 6.5 Creed made it a pretty easy call, in my book anyway. No debates over the question of which of the two is "the better" cartridge, as I think that's down to arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. And about as productive as well. Personal choice, up to you guys, and now you have the choice with both of them bearing the "Lapua" headstamp. Enjoy!
That's very much my take too on the trio Kevin. There is no 'best one' as choice is determined by various factors, both in the cartridges' characteristics, brass and ammunition quality / availability, and the user's circumstances and requirements. In the right rifle, all three can perform exceptionally well in a number of disciplines, and there's nothing much at all between them in external ballistics.
Of course .... they're ALL inferior to 6.5X55 handloads in a good modern rifle !!! (Ha! Ha! Only joking guys before anybody starts throwing shoes my way, although I still have a huge fondness for this cartridge.)
What Lapua's decision will do though is fill the one big glaring gap in the three-cartridge matrix - ie your brass for the Creedmoor - so they all start on an equal footing.
Thank you, Kevin. Honestly, small pin will probably help it perform better but it's going to hurt the guys with sloppy firing pins. This issue has pushed several guys I know away from 6BR, 6.5x47 and Dashers because they don't want to pierce primers from flow. The large rifle primer of the creed allowed them to shoot a cartdridge similar to the 47l and not worry about the primer. I would have thought 260 would have been more logical choice for them but a 140/142 is pretty deep in a 260 case when mag loading from a AICS mag, etc.
I don't see the 6.5x47 going anywhere. I do see me possibly adding another 6.5 to the safe, I was never even remotely interested in the creedmor because of the brass. I don't know though, the 6.5x47 is just so easy to work up loads, it's crazy accurate.... It will be fun to see what happens. I do see a big Ford/Chevy type of passing match brewing though.
Must be pretty cool to be Lapua. Their brass is at least twice as good as their nearest competitor and is the same price or cheaper. Final plug for 280 or 280AI Lapua brass. One can hope. I am not a fan of Nosler brass. Had decided to try fireformed Norma 280 brass and then hear that they make the Nosler 280 AI brass. I am not getting rid of my 47 but like Nakneker might add a Creedmoor in the future.
I hope Lapu uses large primers or has that option. Many of us have firing pins that would need to be bushed for small primers. Creedmoor is popular partly because it's so easy to load and works in all short action that have the 308 type bolt face.
I'll have to try small primers if they make it though.
Lapua 280AI would make a lot of people I'm happy, non more than myself. I am pleasantly surprised out how Lapua is making more and more Calibers though, good stuff.
Thank you Lapua for listening ... 6.5 Brass on the way... When?
I would be glad to "beta" test it for you
fwiw & imho,
GRAND idea to make Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor Brass... Re-engineering the case to a small rifle primer? I don't see the upside...
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