30-28 Nosler continued

[Ledd Slinger]

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Nice photo. Great visual comparison of all the popular big 30 cal magnums

I personally enjoy the 300 Norma Improved. When improved, it pushes the case capacity up to around 110gr H2O and still has the shortest case length of all the big 30's. Allows for better magazine feeding when seating big 215-230gr bullets to the lands and staying out of the donut area of the neck. Downside of course is that you are limited to actions with a Lapua bolt face.

Picture of a 28 Nosler case beside my 300 Norma Improved and water weight capacity measured on one of my scales. Peterson brass in 300 NMI capacity is 110.2gr. I have Lapua 300 Norma cases on hand, but have not fire-formed any of them yet to check the overall H2O capacity.





Empty fire-formed 300 Norma Improved Peterson brass case with fired primer installed. Primer filled with one small drop of water, case body empty. 311. 6gr






Same Peterson 300 Norma Improved case filled with water dead even with top of the neck. 421.8gr
Total H2O capacity: 110.2gr.

 

[CBlack]

@rpierce is building one for me.

Can someone summarize the benefits of this over a straight 30 Nosler? Trying to get my brother in law to build one. He's thinking 300PRC.

I'm a steel hunter but he's a fur hunter

 

[L.Sherm]

So far the difference I've seen between the two is you dont have to run the 30-28 as hard to get the 3100 node with the 215.
Accuracy wise I think there pretty equall.
I havent got my 30-28 done yet, I gotta get a break on it after almost a 100 rounds I cant take it anymore without one.
I'm close gotta do a little tweaking after the brakes on.

 

[Sandstrom22]

Has anyone tried running the 245 gr Bergers with N570 on the 30/28? I have a load built with the 215 and retumbo but I played with the 245s today a little at 1400yds for fun with some extra rounds I had loaded from a shorter ladder. Wind call difference was amazing from the 245 to the 215 but the vertical spread was not desirable(possibly some to blame wind up draft in the canyon). I’m going to try a little more with some different recipes but curious if anyone else had tried. I stopped at 82.5 grains of N570 and still no pressure signs or hard bolt lift.

 

[CBlack]

Has anyone tried running the 245 gr Bergers with N570 on the 30/28? I have a load built with the 215 and retumbo but I played with the 245s today a little at 1400yds for fun with some extra rounds I had loaded from a shorter ladder. Wind call difference was amazing from the 245 to the 215 but the vertical spread was not desirable(possibly some to blame wind up draft in the canyon). I’m going to try a little more with some different recipes but curious if anyone else had tried. I stopped at 82.5 grains of N570 and still no pressure signs or hard bolt lift.

From the success people are seeing, I don't think the 245s are necessary with what you get out of 230s and H1000.

@rpierce can clarify further I'm sure

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Early on many went to the 215 because on paper, you can run them fast enough to beat the 230. I read that many times. But people have come around. I can tell you from real life, the 230 will get moved less than a 215 in the same case. I also find the 230 to be one of the most accurate bullets. However the the nosler case is well suited for the 215 size bullet, and its a great choice in this case. The 245 has yet to prove itself for accuracy, at least to my standards. Not that it wont, it just hasn't yet. You can get a freebore that will work with both the 215 and 230 but the 245 needs a really long one and you end up kind of married to it.

 

[taylorw]

I read through this thread just now so may have missed it.. Alex, now that ADG makes 30 Nosler brass, is it possible to run the 3100 node with 215’s and get more than 4 or 5 firings on the brass?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Its still hot but, yes. The node is usually a bit under 3100. But it depends on the powder and barrel. Most tune between 3030 and 3100.

 

[tom]

Sounds right, I think mine was right around 3090ish. I sold it, although it shot great. Just personally trying to get away from brakes, and target bullets on any "real" hunting guns intended to pursue elk.

Tom

 

[xr650rRider]

I shot a ladder at 300 yards with 230 Berger Hybrid Target and Retumbo, 0.15" jump. OAL=3.75". I think maybe 83.5 and not sure I'll even try H-1000. Remington 700 action from Budsguns, only trued action face, Wyatt's extended box, Stocky's stock, Proof Research Sendero profile 1:9 26", 9.7 lbs w/ Leupold 3-18x50 VX-6HD. Off of a Atlas bipod.

 

[Sandstrom22]

I’ve been playing with the 30/28 quite a bit here before bear season gets going. I ran N570 and the 245 Berger today higher than I have previously had when I first broke in the rifle. I had already shot 77-84 without pressure signs late last fall with N570. I poked into my quickload software yesterday and ran the data with a 30 nosler case and adjusted the H20 volume from 99grains to 103 Grains after measuring a piece of ADG 2x fired ammo. Switched the bullet to a 245 projectile and n570 propellant, it was saying I could go a bit more before 60k psi. Today I ran 85-89 grains of N570 with three shot ladders. Tomorrow I will run 86.5 grains to 600 yds and see how it performs. I am very impressed with the speeds. This is with a 28” proof CF sendero 1/9 twist on a kelbly atlas action with .750 lug and magnum bolt face to switch between lapua and magnum bolts.

 

[Sandstrom22]

Was able to shoot a little more today with the N570/245 Berger load. 493 yards with a 4 shot group my Cold bore was 2.75” from center of shots to the right but 2,3 and 4 group held just over 1” at 493 yds with a 0.830” vertical including the cold bore. Velocities on the Magneto speed and labradar were less than 7 FPS spread on the first 4 rounds giving me right at 3000 FPS. 86.2 grains of N570 is where I landed keeping me 2 grains away from a heavier bolt lift and slight shine on the ejector

 

[mikecockcroft]

I epoxied pillars in this morning. Bought 225 pieces of brass. Looking for dies now. Can’t wait to get my 30-28 to the range in a couple days.

 

[Sandstrom22]

I epoxied pillars in this morning. Bought 225 pieces of brass. Looking for dies now. Can’t wait to get my 30-28 to the range in a couple days.

Natchez

www.natchezss.com

I run a type S 28 nosler die with a .338 bushing on Adg brass. Their in stock at Natchezss. I use a forester micro seater and adjusted the seating steam a little. No issues as of yet and I am 200 rounds in on the barrel

 

[mikecockcroft]

clicked on link and it say out of stock. Will call them.
I found a 30 nosler redding seater just have not found the 28 bushing die yet.

 

[Sandstrom22]

clicked on link and it say out of stock. Will call them.
I found a 30 nosler redding seater just have not found the 28 bushing die yet.

Dang it was in stock Sunday. Must of not been low on them. I will PM you a hyperlink if I see them in stock again