With .243 and .264 so popular why isn't .257?
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Maybe to little to late, but sharps is making the 25-45, but of course it has to compete against the 6mmx45
dryhumor
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At one time I had 4 of them. I only have one left, the most accurate one; and think about selling it off from time to time. Then I think I ought to scope it up and go shoot deer with it.
Id say it suffers from old age, and poor marketing. It's a great rifle for starting a young or smaller shooter out on. Not much recoil, and good accuracy.
Id say it suffers from old age, and poor marketing. It's a great rifle for starting a young or smaller shooter out on. Not much recoil, and good accuracy.
A high bc .257" bullet will not do anything better than a high bc 6 & 6.5 mm.
Just like there is no need for a .292" caliber since it will not do anything better than a .284" or .308"
If someone wants to re-invent the wheel, it better roll better than other wheels that already exist. Otherwise nobody will care to change their wheels.
Just like there is no need for a .292" caliber since it will not do anything better than a .284" or .308"
If someone wants to re-invent the wheel, it better roll better than other wheels that already exist. Otherwise nobody will care to change their wheels.
The .25 is a great caliber and a 25-06 is a killing machine.
Just about any bullet will work out to 300 yards, after that BC starts to make a difference.
With any LONG range match, BC comes into play and if you want to win you can't leave anything on the table.
It's all about good bullets.
Get out any bullet catalog and look at the bullet selection and their BC , that's why more people don't shoot the .25s
Hal
Just about any bullet will work out to 300 yards, after that BC starts to make a difference.
With any LONG range match, BC comes into play and if you want to win you can't leave anything on the table.
It's all about good bullets.
Get out any bullet catalog and look at the bullet selection and their BC , that's why more people don't shoot the .25s
Hal
xswanted
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It won't no.
However if nobody ever "reinvented" anything in reloading we would still all be shooting 30-06s at matches.
It's a fun concept to think about. The 110 BIB would be fun to compete against a 6br or something along those lines.
Marketing has a lot to do with it as well. Chas. Newton told Savage the 250 would be better with 100 gr. bullets but they wanted the concept of having the first cartridge to go 3000f/s. No one made rifles chambered for it except in short runs. Most people were happy with their 30-06's and .270's and such.
Early short range Benchrest started out by varmint hunters wanting to enhance the accuracy of their cartridges and we all know where that went.
When Winchester came out with the .243 it eclipsed both the .250 and the 6mm Rem. which was another great cartridge destined for failure.
The 257 Roberts is a great cartridge but people still don't flock to it or the .250 Savage. The Creedmoor comes awfully close to the .250 case dimensions only being a little shorter.
Most shooting disciplines favor various cartridges. F Class and long range BR favor long high BC bullets driven at speeds that will cheat the wind. Even at that the little 6mm comes close. The PPC has taken over short range BR.
Until any other caliber can come up with winning scores people are going to keep doing what the crowd does. Lou Palmisano and Ferris Pindell stood the Benchrest world on it's ear and took it over with a winning combination. I have no doubt there will come a day when the PPC is challenged for king of the hill but it's a very large hill to climb and that day is certainly not for many days to come.
Joe
Early short range Benchrest started out by varmint hunters wanting to enhance the accuracy of their cartridges and we all know where that went.
When Winchester came out with the .243 it eclipsed both the .250 and the 6mm Rem. which was another great cartridge destined for failure.
The 257 Roberts is a great cartridge but people still don't flock to it or the .250 Savage. The Creedmoor comes awfully close to the .250 case dimensions only being a little shorter.
Most shooting disciplines favor various cartridges. F Class and long range BR favor long high BC bullets driven at speeds that will cheat the wind. Even at that the little 6mm comes close. The PPC has taken over short range BR.
Until any other caliber can come up with winning scores people are going to keep doing what the crowd does. Lou Palmisano and Ferris Pindell stood the Benchrest world on it's ear and took it over with a winning combination. I have no doubt there will come a day when the PPC is challenged for king of the hill but it's a very large hill to climb and that day is certainly not for many days to come.
Joe
Kurz
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As I have read through all these posts, there has been a thought which keeps nagging me in the back of my mind. I seem to recall that there is a discrepancy between the cost of 6mm/6.5mm cups and the longer (more costly) cups for the .25 caliber Match Target bullets. This stems from a discussion with the Stark family when they were making some of the best match/varmint bullets for the time period. I simply don't recall all of the details but the gist was that the .25 caliber Match bullets cost more to make because of the jackets.
Does anyone have any information about this?
Does anyone have any information about this?
It isn't the cost. It's the lack of demand.
There's no scientific or mathematical reason a competitive .257" bullet can't be designed or produced. Same with a .277" bullet.
Seems some bore sizes have been relegated to the realm of hunting calibers. This is not a bad thing though. And it certainly doesn't mean that many rifles in those calibers can't or don't shoot superbly.
Seems some bore sizes have been relegated to the realm of hunting calibers. This is not a bad thing though. And it certainly doesn't mean that many rifles in those calibers can't or don't shoot superbly.
KMart
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If you want to jump start the 25 cal, consider this. The Army has been looking for a new battle rifle that will take down the enemy at over 300 yards. The whole plan is to change both cartridge and rifle. The term "6.5" has come up but not etched in stone.
Should someone(politician) have money invested in a 250 savage cartridge, the Army would probably get it.
A 25 cal military rifle and "everybody" would have to have one. The case design has been around since the 1920 and somewhat served as the case design for the 7.62x51
Should someone(politician) have money invested in a 250 savage cartridge, the Army would probably get it.
A 25 cal military rifle and "everybody" would have to have one. The case design has been around since the 1920 and somewhat served as the case design for the 7.62x51
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