Wind Rose for Rimfire

[rckendall]

I am new to rimfire shooting and am enjoying the challenges. Of course, the wind is the biggest challenge and I am having my biggest issues with headwinds. I have had times that the wind only has a slight effect and at other times the effect is huge. I have tried using a wind rose on my bench for reference and it helps, but the headwinds are baffling me. At times a 12 o'clock wind doesn't seem to make much difference and at other times it is huge. Of course one response would be to wait for a change in wind direction, but at this point I am trying learn, so I shoot it?

I'm attaching 2 charts that seem to reflect that difference. Can someone please shed some light on this for me?

Thanks,
Richard





Edit to add: The two attached wind roses show what I have experienced. One shows the headwind dropping the shot just slightly below center, while the other shows it way low. That is my dilemma, which one is more correct?

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I am new to rimfire shooting and am enjoying the challenges. Of course, the wind is the biggest challenge and I am having my biggest issues with headwinds. I have had times that the wind only has a slight effect and at other times the effect is huge. I have tried using a wind rose on my bench for reference and it helps, but the headwinds are baffling me. At times a 12 o'clock wind doesn't seem to make much difference and at other times it is huge. Of course one response would be to wait for a change in wind direction, but at this point I am trying learn, so I shoot it?

I'm attaching 2 charts that seem to reflect that difference. Can someone please shed some light on this for me?

Thanks,
Richard


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I tried using charts and found sighters are a better indicator as to where to hold for wind. are you using flags? if not it will be a long road and many shots before really knowing where to hold.
the two charts you posted are ok but this one is far easier to read and better at explaining holds it was composed by someone with a lot of experience in RFBR

Lee

 

[rckendall]

Yes, I am using one wind flag halfway to my 50 yard target. When I first saw a headwind, I thought I should wait it out for a known condition (sort of). Then I thought I might as well shoot it and learn from it. The shot or two I took at that time were like shown in the Landy chart. But since then I believe I have dropped more shots out the bottom, kind of along the lines of the other one.

Thanks,
Richard

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Yes, I am using one wind flag halfway to my 50 yard target. When I first saw a headwind, I thought I should wait it out for a known condition (sort of). Then I thought I might as well shoot it and learn from it. The shot or two I took at that time were like shown in the Landy chart. But since then I believe I have dropped more shots out the bottom, kind of along the lines of the other one.

Thanks,
Richard

Richard,

If you only have one flag move it closer to the bench within 20-25-ft this should give you a better read as the biggest influence on the path of the bullet is the first few feet from the muzzle.
also, if possible line up the flag so you are shooting over it and not to the right of left of the muzzle.

Lee

 

[Appalachian]

Just when I think I have the wind figured out I realized I don’t. Wind Roses make no sense to me sometimes, because my bullet rarely goes where the wind rose says they should, besides the wind often blows at different speeds and directions along the bullet’s flight path. I just shoot my sighters and make my gamble 25 times a card.

I’m going to a big shoot tomorrow, should be, club tournament with low wind. It should be a good turnout.

 

[grauhanen]

One of the difficulties is that too often the .22LR bullet doesn't go where it's supposed to regardless of the wind (or wind rose). It's the product of imperfect ammunition.

 

[natdscott]

I am new to rimfire shooting and am enjoying the challenges. Of course, the wind is the biggest challenge and I am having my biggest issues with headwinds. I have had times that the wind only has a slight effect and at other times the effect is huge. I have tried using a wind rose on my bench for reference and it helps, but the headwinds are baffling me. At times a 12 o'clock wind doesn't seem to make much difference and at other times it is huge. Of course one response would be to wait for a change in wind direction, but at this point I am trying learn, so I shoot it?

I'm attaching 2 charts that seem to reflect that difference. Can someone please shed some light on this for me?

Thanks,
Richard


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Edit to add: The two attached wind roses show what I have experienced. One shows the headwind dropping the shot just slightly below center, while the other shows it way low. That is my dilemma, which one is more correct?

The charts you are examining aren't to scale, and don't say that they are. Some bro just drew them so they were legible.

Just start shooting more, keep excellent records (if you're the type that likes them), and learn by doing.

But don't make problems out of things that aren't problems, because there are hundreds of other real things that need your focus.

 

[rckendall]

Richard,

If you only have one flag move it closer to the bench within 20-25-ft this should give you a better read as the biggest influence on the path of the bullet is the first few feet from the muzzle.
also, if possible line up the flag so you are shooting over it and not to the right of left of the muzzle.

Lee

Lee,
One shooter I spoke with regarding watching the windflag, said that he uses his left eye for the flag and the right eye through the scope. I have adopted that method and find that it seems to work well? I'm not sure that could be done with the flag inline with the bore of the rifle. Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Richard

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Lee,
One shooter I spoke with regarding watching the windflag, said that he uses his left eye for the flag and the right eye through the scope. I have adopted that method and find that it seems to work well? I'm not sure that could be done with the flag inline with the bore of the rifle. Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Richard

I shoot heads up watching my flags I don’t need to see where I want the shot to go but when to shoot
I shoot off a 1 piece rest and free recoil so it is easier to do
With flags L or R you get a read of before or after if you must shoot looking through the scope try and place your flag as close to center line as possible

Lee

 

[1911nut]

I‘ll throw out another rose…now we got a bouquet

I found it useful to know what wind does to a rimfire bullet. I also only look at the flags not through the scope once setup. Lots of sighters to get a hold off then wait for that condition to show. Or I’ll wait for a lull.

 

[gkgeiger]

I like Landy's version with POA. I shrunk this down and have one on the bench. After awhile it comes natural.

 

[ROBARRC50]

I like Landy's version with POA. I shrunk this down and have one on the bench. After awhile it comes natural.

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I might have to do some testing and give this a try, just to see what results i get from it. I guess i am one of the few who dont shoot over wind flags.

 

[gkgeiger]

I might have to do some testing and give this a try, just to see what results i get from it. I guess i am one of the few who dont shoot over wind flags.

The way you shoot you don’t need them.

 

[rckendall]

I‘ll throw out another rose…now we got a bouquet

I found it useful to know what wind does to a rimfire bullet. I also only look at the flags not through the scope once setup. Lots of sighters to get a hold off then wait for that condition to show. Or I’ll wait for a lull.

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That's the one I started with and wanted to get another, fresh guide as I was struggling so much. It was the first one I saw that I thought I could use easily. Maybe I didn't use it enough?


I like this one, Thanks!

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

The charts you are examining aren't to scale, and don't say that they are. Some bro just drew them so they were legible.

Just start shooting more, keep excellent records (if you're the type that likes them), and learn by doing.

But don't make problems out of things that aren't problems, because there are hundreds of other real things that need your focus.

Actually, the Ara style wind rose pictured above does state that it is to scale.
I don't 100% agree with it because it adds no vertical value for changes in angle between I think 1 o'clock and 5 o'clock, nor between 11 and 7 o'clock...but the basis seems to be close.

 

[rckendall]

Today was the lightest wind we have seen all week, probably 3-5 mph and the predominant wind is usually 10-11 o'clock. We had one day that it was 10-13 at the start and when I finished, it was 18-23 all fish-tailing from 6 o'clock. What I saw again today was that there was much more vertical drop from those 10-11 o'clock conditions. I want to believe the charts but I'm learning that something doesn't line up. Local conditions?

Richard

 

[ROBARRC50]

The way you shoot you don’t need them.

I like to try things out sometimes the 12 and 6 hold i hold different. But i think i will try a few targets shoot the wind i have untill i can shoot all wind scenarios on 2 targets and see the results on paper.

 

[rckendall]

I think I have a long road ahead of me! But that’s ok, it’s fun.
Richard

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Today was the lightest wind we have seen all week, probably 3-5 mph and the predominant wind is usually 10-11 o'clock. We had one day that it was 10-13 at the start and when I finished, it was 18-23 all fish-tailing from 6 o'clock. What I saw again today was that there was much more vertical drop from those 10-11 o'clock conditions. I want to believe the charts but I'm learning that something doesn't line up. Local conditions?

Richard

Most charts do show more drop from 10 than 11, etc. Bottom line and practical way to look at it is that you'll have approximately 1/3rd as much vertical component to a given wind as you do horizontal, fwiw. It works out very close to right, for all practical purposes.

 

[Hozzie]

Consider all of these charts approximations. Get more flags first. One flag is not enough to know what to the cause of anything is. Most people have no idea what a 5mph wind is as well. Even worse is the guy that says 15-20 mph winds and shows a one hole group. BS.