Will the 6PPC Ever Be Surpassed in the Short Range Benchrest Game ?

[jackieschmidt]

Here in the hot DRY part of the west, 133 can be like …… well, a barn soured old nag. 8208, LT 31, LT-30, and 200.5 seem to be the only civilized powders at 100 degrees an 6%RH. However, they all get persnickety too.
Personally, it’s just more fun to look for the treasure, however elusive that may be.
CW

When I go to Phoenix, I have some old original 2015BR that I shoot. 29.0 grns.

I simply cannot make 133 shoot in that climate.

there are those that can.

 

[Mulligan]

When I go to Phoenix, I have some old original 2015BR that I shoot. 29.0 grns.

I simply cannot make 133 shoot in that climate.

Me either!

On the rare occasion that the humidity get 50-60%, Katie bar the door. Everyone is dragging out 133. Otherwise, somebody shooting a magical blend will lead the pack.
CW

 

[Bottom Fodder]

So from what I reading if your going to shoot short range benchrest just go ahead and build your gun around the 6PPC and look no farther, right?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

So from what I reading if your going to shoot short range benchrest just go ahead and build your gun around the 6PPC and look no farther, right?

Well sure. It'd be just fine...seriously.

 

[Ccrider]

I had planned on shooting my 6PPC at the 200 yard leg at The VFS Nationals, (I shot my 30 instead as it was shooting really well).

The week end before, I shot my 68 grn FB 30.6 grn load over a LabRadar and it averaged 3430 fps Out of a 21 inch barrel.

Thanks Jackie. Are you finding this to be the bottom range of the node or closer to the middle or top.

 

[D Coots]

I never called any one a liar in this thread, but according to my records from the last several years you have NEVER won an IBS OR NBRSA NATIONAL event as you said. A little proof would cause me to eat crow. Show me proof, that's all I'm looking for.

I started with a 6 Grendel in 2016, after several ppc's and various 30's. Won National aggs with it in 2019,20 and 21. Still not saying it's better than a PPC but it ain't bad, head to head either.

 

[BoydAllen]

So from what I reading if your going to shoot short range benchrest just go ahead and build your gun around the 6PPC and look no farther, right?

I take it that you have not shot short range group benchrest in sanctioned matches. No problem, you have a lot of company. Assuming that, there is so much to learn to become competitive in the sport it is almost impossible to get there with out some mentoring from an experienced and proficient shooter. The reason that I bring this up is that it seems like a lot of online discussions gloss over everything but the caliber, possibly what bullet, and what barrel. There is a LOT more to it. IMO as long as the caliber you are shooting is good enough not to be what keeps you from doing well you have a lot to choose from, but on the off chance that you get really good at staying in razor sharp tune in spite of changes in ambient conditions, learn to read wind flags exceptionally well, and have the whole bag rest how to handle the rifle and when to start a group things down cold, then the list gets a lot shorter, and even then the discussions are likely to revolve around group size rather than agg. size. The guys that I listen to and watch closely win big matches. I suggest that you might want to do the same, and not waste their time telling them what you think, until you are in their league. Listen and copy. IMO their results speak for themselves. I will wind this up by thanking those who win matches for their time on this forum. It is appreciated. This is not to say that I am at all opposed to experimentation of any sort, if it is done for its own sake. Actually I have done a fair amount of that, and will continue to encourage it in others, but if your goal is to do well in competition, wandering off that way can slow your progress.

 

[BoydAllen]

I didn't say either of those. I'll let you keep showing your ass because you're too lazy to look for it. Again, you're so wrapped up in yourself and your own tiny little world. You really should apologize when you find it but I won't hold my breath. I don't think that fits your type. You'll probably just minimize it in some way. Go ahead. Our 2023 Nats are in 3 weeks and have about 105 guns signed up so far.

Mike, you are challenging a group shooter to a score match?

 

[jackieschmidt]

Thanks Jackie. Are you finding this to be the bottom range of the node or closer to the middle or top.

Pretty much the top with my chamber.

In the upper window, what I find is you know the load has crossed the point of no return when it will shoot really tight, but toss a shot on occasion to kill the Agg.

A very good Hall of Famer once told me that if he ever shot a really small “one” or a “zero, he would back the charge back a tenth or two because it was probably getting a little too hot.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Mike, you are challenging a group shooter to a score match?

I didn't challenge anybody to anything except to read, find his error and apologize...like a man.. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Schippergreg]

I take it that you have not shot short range group benchrest in sanctioned matches. No problem, you have a lot of company. Assuming that, there is so much to learn to become competitive in the sport it is almost impossible to get there with out some mentoring from an experienced and proficient shooter. The reason that I bring this up is that it seems like a lot of online discussions gloss over everything but the caliber, possibly what bullet, and what barrel. There is a LOT more to it. IMO as long as the caliber you are shooting is good enough not to be what keeps you from doing well you have a lot to choose from, but on the off chance that you get really good at staying in razor sharp tune in spite of changes in ambient conditions, learns to read wind flags exceptionally well, and have the whole bag rest how to handle the rifle and when to start a group things down cold, then the list gets a lot shorter, and even then the discussions are likely to revolve around group size rather than agg. size. The guys that I listen to and watch closely win big matches. I suggest that you might want to do the same, and not waste their time telling them what you think, until you are in their league. Listen and copy. IMO their results speak for themselves. I will wind this up by thanking those who win matches for their time on this forum. It is appreciated. This is not to say that I am at all opposed to experimentation of any sort, if it is done for its own sake. Actually I have done a fair amount of that, and will continue to encourage it in others, but if your goal is to do well in competition, wandering off that way can slow your progress.

Spot on. Bottom fodder don’t let any of that discourage you from jumping in to sr group matches. Everyone starts out at the bottom, there’s only one way to go from there. I’m only in my third year of sr benchrest but I’m addicted for sure. Any questions feel free to message me. I’ll help in anyway I can.

 

[D Coots]

You evaded my first question if your National wins in the years you spoke of were in the IBS or NBRSA short range Nationals and wouldn't answer. You lead folks on to belive you were a National winner. Then argued and did not say what your National wins were about. Come to find out you NEVER compete in those venues. No problem...don't come on like some National event winner. When you tried to berate me you showed your true colors. Some day you may compete against some competitors such as Campbell, Peinhardt, ect.

I've been beat by the best in SR BR. Maybe some day you'll have the same experience.