RWS doesn’t make brass for the 280 anymore. The other company you mentioned never heard of them. And using 30-06 brass for a 280 is stupid too because the length of the case is like 50 thousandths less than a 280. And nobody is going to go out and buy special reamers to use 30-06 brass in a 280. That's retarded too IMO.
Why not the 280Rem??
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RWS doesn’t make brass for the 280 anymore. The other company you mentioned never heard of them. And using 30-06 brass for a 280 is stupid too because the length of the case is like 50 thousandths less than a 280. And nobody is going to go out and buy special reamers to use 30-06 brass in a 280. That's retarded too IMO.
I never looked at it like that, 284 with hunting bullets is what nearly killed the cartridge until it got necked down to 6.5. I assumed that it's performance was underwhelming when loaded short. Maybe with older powders it was?
I'm pretty sure the heavy bullets and recent popularity of long range and ELR shooting is what renewed interest in 284 and 280. I didn't know the old problems were somewhat resolved.
Definitely. Really the 284 was basically answering the case capacity of the 270/06 cartridges only in nearly magnum diameter to get the same case capacity. Interest became lost more than failure I think as it was resurected much later for LR competition. The 150 Power points loaded for it made it fairly efficient for a short action but it was still loaded light due to use in semi auto deer rifles. Again with today's powders and bullets, it really shines.
True. They do it with alot of cartridges of better deserving barrel lengths. Savage made a 338 win mag with a 20" barrel. The 260/7-08 also has short barrels. Both could do so much better with 24s. It's marketing. There catering to the hunters with little knowledge of performance increases in barrel length. Most hunters typically do not need long barrels for 100-200 yard shots. We as a minority group of shooters prefer optimal performance hence longer barrels.
I had an old friend who said, "why do people like long barreled pistols and short barreled rifles"? Barlow
To be fair, a 20" hunting rifle feels real nice in the hand. Good balance, easy to shoot off handed, all the stuff that will sell it in a store and make it pleasant to carry in the mountains. All you give up is maybe 100fps and gain some muzzle blast. Most folks, target shooters included, won't notice the 100fps difference.
AckleymanII
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20" barrels RUIN your hearing, and I for one hate them.
Do they? I haven't noticed anything with ear muffs or ear plugs.
Maybe you just need better ear protection.One thing that I just do not like wearing while hunting is ear protection. Even at the cost of ridiculous recoil vs a brake, I'd chose recoil while hunting without the brake. I have very good electronic hearing protection but do not like it when hunting. Probably just me but I never got use to it.Do they? I haven't noticed anything with ear muffs or ear plugs.
I certainly understand, and it's a choice everyone should be free to make (just like smoking), but they've shown that hearing loss has far far greater costs than just your hearing. It has been closely linked to early onset of brain degenerative diseases like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and dementia. It will shorten your lifespan and all but garuantee that your final years are a real living hell.
In my humble opinion any appropriate center fire rifle (i.e. 270, 280, 30 06, 308, etc.) is adequate for most big game hunting in the US for the average experienced hunter at reasonable distances meaning shots under 300 yards. How many guys do you know can hit the vitals at 300 yards plus in a field shooting situation?
Most of the arguments for or against a given cartridge stem from book ballistic values rather than real life experiences.
In my opinion the key factors for success or failure is based more on the following than the specific cartridge selected: the skill of the hunter hunting the game, the hunter's marksmanship meaning the ability to hit the vitals in a field shooting situation (not small groups off the bench) and the quality of the bullet being used.
While I've never hunted out west or hunted Elk or Moose, my ex-boss was born and raised in Wyoming and his family / friends have hunted successfully and extensively throughout the west. Their weapon of choice, the 270 and 30 06.
For the eastern deer hunter, which I have done for close to 50 years now, the selection of calibers is even broader to include such calibers as the 243 Win which I have taken many of white tail with.
Most of the arguments for or against a given cartridge stem from book ballistic values rather than real life experiences.
In my opinion the key factors for success or failure is based more on the following than the specific cartridge selected: the skill of the hunter hunting the game, the hunter's marksmanship meaning the ability to hit the vitals in a field shooting situation (not small groups off the bench) and the quality of the bullet being used.
While I've never hunted out west or hunted Elk or Moose, my ex-boss was born and raised in Wyoming and his family / friends have hunted successfully and extensively throughout the west. Their weapon of choice, the 270 and 30 06.
For the eastern deer hunter, which I have done for close to 50 years now, the selection of calibers is even broader to include such calibers as the 243 Win which I have taken many of white tail with.
I had a 35 year career in LE and drove many of warm weather days with my driver's window down on my vehicle. Sure I shot a lot of rifles, shotguns and pistols with no hearing protection as a youngster as warnings weren't as relevant back then. At least not to my young self. When I went to the hearing center about 8 years before retiring, the tech told me I qualified for a hearing aide in my left ear and that my right ear was not excellent but not real bad. She asked if in my career, did I drive alot with my window down ? Apparently it accounts for greater hearing loss in most LE officers than gun fire or loud music. It really surprised me. Left ear damage from wind thru a vehicle window. She also went on to say that firearms, music and equipment also damages hearing as we know. My point is, I really want to save what hearing I have left so I do go the extra steps to do that. Just a little 101 on what else causes hearing loss. I was totally unaware of the window down thing.
centerlineseal
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Try the "window down thing" with a hearing aide in, ... pretty unbearable.
Never did get one. It's a denial thing mostly. My wife is about at her wits end with my "huh, what did you say"? Anymore I just say yep or mm hm !
I knew about the window thing so I drive with the rear window down behind me to lessen the noise. I have had a couple of hearing tests and its all good for now and I am a firm believer in hearing protection when I shoot.. however when I hunt I go naked so I can hear a pin drop ohh and by the way I am 55 years old and stuff is starting to go south I can tell ya but my ears are good... my dad in his later years(mid sixties) his hearing got really bad he had both ears installede with hearing aids,, they worked but they amplified so much background noise he couldn't hear a deer in the woods....so he quit hunting the most loved thing in the whole world to him and he couldn't do it anymore....so protect your ears,, keep on keepin on!!!
Also my personal vote is for the 280 Remington I own one!
Isn't that the .280 ???
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