why are there so many Nightforce scopes for sale?
- Thread starter Westex
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JMNTBHO, but remember they are the lowest bidder on goverment contracts......................???
Well if you go onto snipers hide, you'll see every third to fourth scope a Schmidt & Bender. There are a lot of those for sale more than any other.
I was just telling someone the other day how the optics market is flooded and how folks are wanting darn near MSRP for a used scope. Kinda hard to sell a used scope for 2k plus. I guess there was the buying craze and having the best of everything and to find out that you can get by with another scope and put 4-500 dollars back in your pocket.
It's just my opinion of what I see.
I was just telling someone the other day how the optics market is flooded and how folks are wanting darn near MSRP for a used scope. Kinda hard to sell a used scope for 2k plus. I guess there was the buying craze and having the best of everything and to find out that you can get by with another scope and put 4-500 dollars back in your pocket.
It's just my opinion of what I see.
Bradley Walker
In my opinion the entire gun market is flooded and if Romney gets elected its really going to be flooded. There has a been a fake market driven by speculation and not real supply and demand and as the economy continues to tank people are going to be completely upside down and they are going to do just like the banks with homes put their gujs in the safe and save them for the next boom. No boom market can last forever and there is a gun bubble forming. Or more correctly, it's beginning to pop.
Last gun show I was at no one was buying except the dealers trying to snatch up all the used gear as the market starts to retract. No one was on the phones doing nic checks.
Just my opinion.
Ps: it's not just guns... It's powder and billets, etc etc. if you haven't noticed most of the components are produced by a very small group of companies now. Very little competing. Take powder for example. One guy controls Hogdon,IMR, and Winchester powders.... It's just like everything else you see in the USA.... Everything is becoming a monopoly market.
Last gun show I was at no one was buying except the dealers trying to snatch up all the used gear as the market starts to retract. No one was on the phones doing nic checks.
Just my opinion.
Ps: it's not just guns... It's powder and billets, etc etc. if you haven't noticed most of the components are produced by a very small group of companies now. Very little competing. Take powder for example. One guy controls Hogdon,IMR, and Winchester powders.... It's just like everything else you see in the USA.... Everything is becoming a monopoly market.
The firearms & ammunition industry is about the only industry going full speed in this current economy. Some are selling the scopes to fund a "better" scope or fund something else. I bought a used NF a few months back & now wish I had bought one years ago (was a confirmed Leupold guy when they had VARI-X III) Now my Premier modified Leuppies are locked in safe ...
Just wish I had funds to buy a few more NF !!
Just wish I had funds to buy a few more NF !!
Theres plenty of them for sale in this part of Aus too as they have developed the name "nightmare" Lots performing very poorly when used in competition. To the point people are selling them and buying a T24 and a T36. One for winter when higher mag can be used and one for summer when the mirage gets too much for 36X. I own a sightron and dont have any problems, but wont be buying a nightforce looking at the number that have failed and are suspected of being on thier way out at the moment.
Bradley Walker
Will said:
Bubble.
They we going full speed at the end of ww2 too... Gosh if we were to stop invading every Muslim country in the Middle East think of the surplus!!!
Bradley Walker
I see guns going the way of every other hobby dominated by speculators. I saw it in guitars for sure. You had the wealthy collectors buying up anything they could get their hands on. When I was a teenager you coukd go into any pawnshop in Tulsa and the walls were covered in Gibsons and Fenders. Then the 1990s came and the children of the boomers all wanted a guitar like Kurt Cobain so dealers and collectors started buying everything. Now you can go to pawn shop and there is nothing but junk. Oh but you can go to guitar show and see dealers with 1000s of guitars in their collections. And now they set the value, or some book written by and for dealers sets the value.
How much is the Fender worth? Well I paid $200 for it but this book here says its worth $10000 and I have been carrying it to shows for four years... Still waiting on that $10000 buyer... But the dealer doesn't care if anyone ever plays that guitar ever again. It's now a colectible or a commodity... To be traded like gold or jewels or oil or water...
Same thing in guns. I remember when the cmp limited how many guns you could buy a year to sto the hoarding but apparently it became about money and not about sharing in the generous surplus if the us taxpayer. Heck every shooter in the us could get a Garand... There certainly were enough if them made.... But no the dealers with cash started buying them at $400 in bulk and now they are all marked $1200 at the gun shows... But no is buying... But no one cares.
Just wait. There will be a lot of stuff hit the market cheap eventually. Estate sales...
How much is the Fender worth? Well I paid $200 for it but this book here says its worth $10000 and I have been carrying it to shows for four years... Still waiting on that $10000 buyer... But the dealer doesn't care if anyone ever plays that guitar ever again. It's now a colectible or a commodity... To be traded like gold or jewels or oil or water...
Same thing in guns. I remember when the cmp limited how many guns you could buy a year to sto the hoarding but apparently it became about money and not about sharing in the generous surplus if the us taxpayer. Heck every shooter in the us could get a Garand... There certainly were enough if them made.... But no the dealers with cash started buying them at $400 in bulk and now they are all marked $1200 at the gun shows... But no is buying... But no one cares.
Just wait. There will be a lot of stuff hit the market cheap eventually. Estate sales...
Back when Klinton was elected there was a mad rush on ammo & stuff . Sick Billie wanted to add tagants to all powders & have a shelf life on primers. So much so that it even effected the archery industry... had a good contact/resource w/Easton. Wanted to order 2 Dz arrows. Was told that if I wanted my order to be valid they'd need 6-10 dz minimum & current delivery was 3-4 months. That was March (1993?) after klinton was in office. I finally got my arrow shafts in AUG !!!
20 years ago ... OK we don't need this crap anymore. Mormons may be misunderstood & are far from perfect (Look at Harry Reid) but I'll take Romney over that leftist lunatic imposter @ 1600 Penn Av now !!
20 years ago ... OK we don't need this crap anymore. Mormons may be misunderstood & are far from perfect (Look at Harry Reid) but I'll take Romney over that leftist lunatic imposter @ 1600 Penn Av now !!
Bradley Walker
I think the industry, with the help of the NRA LOVE gun bubbles...
Heck, I bought stock in Smith and Wesson... Look at numbers...
The real question is "what's next"?
Heck, I bought stock in Smith and Wesson... Look at numbers...
The real question is "what's next"?
BigHorn WBY said:
That's not true, as a matter of fact SOCOM doesn't play by those rules, there equipment must work, and work in the most demanding conditions, always, if all of SOCOM(except Marine Force Recon) is using Nightforce and there not the lowest bidder gives all the proof that Nightforce NSX scopes are durable, precise, and repeatable, and of course better than Leupold, which was the lowest bidder.
Killshot
X's matter....but 10s win (but damn, Xs feel good)
Doesn't seem to be that many more than normal for this time of the year that is. The number of good equipment for resale seems to spike after Nationals and the end of the fair-weather season for the Northern states.
And how a simple question about equipment could lead to these comments tieing EVERYTHING to national politics is Hilarious.
And how a simple question about equipment could lead to these comments tieing EVERYTHING to national politics is Hilarious.
Low bidder is a myth anymore. People assume that if a company gets a contract they were the low bidder. As a purchasing officer with the Fed, we never used the money angle as a decider. It didn't hurt to let the bidding companies think so though. 
Quality, fit of product to need and ability to provide quantity required. A small shop that makes 10 beautiful scopes a month was not going to get a contract for 12,000 scopes.
As for orginal post. The market is simply flooded with a lot of scopes right now. A lot of people hit on the supply vs demand issue. You are seeing Schmidt and Bender, Sightron and NF because you aren't looking for Simmons or Bushnell. There are a lot of those floating around too. Nice post. I'm new here, but not new.
Quality, fit of product to need and ability to provide quantity required. A small shop that makes 10 beautiful scopes a month was not going to get a contract for 12,000 scopes.As for orginal post. The market is simply flooded with a lot of scopes right now. A lot of people hit on the supply vs demand issue. You are seeing Schmidt and Bender, Sightron and NF because you aren't looking for Simmons or Bushnell. There are a lot of those floating around too. Nice post. I'm new here, but not new.
holstil
Silver $$ Contributor
I think it's just the time of year for changes. I would expect a few more swap outs for the fast turn and zero stop feature. I think it's great though. I just picked up a used NSX for an AR. Maybe I should have waited for a S&B. I might sell my NSX now.
Becareful to mess with a man with one scope, he probably knows how to look through it,... or sell it. ;D
Jim
Becareful to mess with a man with one scope, he probably knows how to look through it,... or sell it. ;D
Jim
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