lapua scenars...talk about cost! wish i could shoot more of these, but bergers are what everybody says. they are the only source of j-4 jackets and most custom bullet makers buy them for theirs which is one reason why customs shoot so well. not sure what jackest sierra and hornady use, but i'v measured some really large differences in base to ogive with these...occ will find .004 or so with bergers.
Why Are Berger Bullets So Popular?
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Ipreddick: Sierra makes their own bullet jackets. Don't know about Hornady. Berger is owned by J-4, so they naturally use J-4 jackets.
Bergers will outshoot SMK's in every side-by-side comparison, in my 6BR's and 6ppc's, so they are without question my #1 choice. Same old story: you get what you pay for.
Bergers will outshoot SMK's in every side-by-side comparison, in my 6BR's and 6ppc's, so they are without question my #1 choice. Same old story: you get what you pay for.
Scenars may be good but very expensive. Midway wants $58.99 for a box of 100 Lapua Scenar-L .243/6mm 105 grain bullets or if your want regular Scenars they are $47.99 a box. Like one forum member said recently after he bought some of the Scenar-L's, he was not sure if he should put his rifle or those bullets in his safe.Down South said:
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
No love for Sierra? Isn't that who makes the 115g DTAC for Tubbs?
My best and simplest advice. Get and read Walt Berger's reloading manual! It explains it all. I do know some older shooters that say Berger Bullets were even better when he himself was still at the helm? I know not , other than great results with there bullets right out of the gate. I do not shoot competition but am a avid Coyote hunter! I have seen excellent results with other bullets as well but I don't shoot past 300 yards.
searcher
Gold $$ Contributor
It was I who pondered locking up my Scenar's. Look At buying them in bulk at Graffs, Powder Valley, Bruno's Shooter's Supply, Sinclair or elsewhere. You can get the .243 105 "L'S" in bulk at Sinclair. You can expect a 25% to 30% reduction off the individual 100 rnd. boxes elsewhere by buying 1,000 .
As for the Berger bullets, I believe that, as many have stated, Walt Berger has a passion for accurate bullet manufacturing. The Bergers' fill a niche between the big manufacturers' mass-produced bullets and those custom made by small precision bullet makers such as Knight, Bibb, etc. A lot of what separates each of these three "categories" is the amount of quality control you get. I typically see more uniform bullet weights, etc. with Berger than Sierra, Hornady, Nosler, etc. - yet the custom bullet makers "often" outdo everyone except, in my opinion - the Scenar "L" bullets. Of course, the Scenar L's don't shoot in all guns either. The Bergers are great bullets that are good on uniformity - thus IF your gun likes them, they can do quite well. I, personally, have had no luck with Sierras in my 6PPC's (many barrels) and several other guns, yet I have one 6BR barrel that will shoot nothing else as well. I also have a factory Remington 700 Varmint that thinks it is a benchrest rifle when shooting the Berger 52's.
Bottom line, try both. The odds are that IF your barrel likes the Bergers - your averages may do better simply due to what I believe to be higher quality control and/or superior manufacturing process. If you weigh and sort by base-to-ogive measurements on your Sierras, I think this difference diminishes greatly as they too are a fine bullet. To say that any one bullet is the best only applies to uniformity and theoretical flight characteristics. As we know - it may not shoot at all in our gun. As for price differences between the Sierras and the Bergers, I don't see too much of a difference in the catalogs I'm looking at. Nothing like the difference in the "L" bullet. Yet, if it takes me an hour to weigh and measure a box of bullets - that is time I could have been working at a higher hourly rate for the difference in price of the bullets....
As for the Berger bullets, I believe that, as many have stated, Walt Berger has a passion for accurate bullet manufacturing. The Bergers' fill a niche between the big manufacturers' mass-produced bullets and those custom made by small precision bullet makers such as Knight, Bibb, etc. A lot of what separates each of these three "categories" is the amount of quality control you get. I typically see more uniform bullet weights, etc. with Berger than Sierra, Hornady, Nosler, etc. - yet the custom bullet makers "often" outdo everyone except, in my opinion - the Scenar "L" bullets. Of course, the Scenar L's don't shoot in all guns either. The Bergers are great bullets that are good on uniformity - thus IF your gun likes them, they can do quite well. I, personally, have had no luck with Sierras in my 6PPC's (many barrels) and several other guns, yet I have one 6BR barrel that will shoot nothing else as well. I also have a factory Remington 700 Varmint that thinks it is a benchrest rifle when shooting the Berger 52's.
Bottom line, try both. The odds are that IF your barrel likes the Bergers - your averages may do better simply due to what I believe to be higher quality control and/or superior manufacturing process. If you weigh and sort by base-to-ogive measurements on your Sierras, I think this difference diminishes greatly as they too are a fine bullet. To say that any one bullet is the best only applies to uniformity and theoretical flight characteristics. As we know - it may not shoot at all in our gun. As for price differences between the Sierras and the Bergers, I don't see too much of a difference in the catalogs I'm looking at. Nothing like the difference in the "L" bullet. Yet, if it takes me an hour to weigh and measure a box of bullets - that is time I could have been working at a higher hourly rate for the difference in price of the bullets....
Down South
FTR Junkie
snakepit said:
I never said they were cheap, I said they are very accurate bullets.......As for the rifle or bullets in the safe, I do both cause none of it is cheap........lol
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