Who wins? CZ 455 Varmint vs. Ruger Precision rimfire

[hogpatrol]

That brown stuff you were getting out of your barrel is the bluing, clean it shoot it, trying to remove it is not needed

Brown bluing? This was like cosmoline and had to be brushed out, soaked, brushed out, soaked........ It was not bluing.

Go here:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234957

Scroll down to THE FIRST Cleaning Getting the Gunk out. click on that link.

CZs are KNOWN for their barrel preservative protocol.

 

[dolek]

Mine had the crud,took some work before I felt good about it . It's similar to varnish .

 

[hogpatrol]

Mine had the crud,took some work before I felt good about it . It's similar to varnish .

It's a PITA but all of that crud/gunk/preservative needs to be removed and the bore super clean before the first shot. BTDT.

 

[Billinoregon]

Good to know about the gunk issue. New 455 Varmint incoming.

 

[drover]

Just wondering which rifle will be the better shooter out of the box, and why. Street on the new Ruger is high $300s, and the CZ very close to $400. I realize the CZ gets a big improvement with a simple trigger job.

I have a sporter CZ 452 in 22 LR and a sporter Ruger American Rimfire in 22 LR and have owned both for about 3 years now and have lots of rounds down both. With the 452 I get 1/2" to 3/4" five shot groups at 50 yds, with the Ruger I get 3/4" to 1" five shot groups at 50 yds. The smaller groups are shot with mid-price match ammo, the larger groups are shot with high-velocity ammo.

The CZ does have a Yo Dave kit installed and set at 2#, I respringed the Ruger and it is set at 2#. I have played with action torques on both rifles and did not see any discernable difference in accuracy as long as the screws were tight.

My brother has a sporter Ruger American Rimfire 22 LR and the best we can get it to group is 3/4" to 1-1/4" for 5 shots at 50 yds. We have worked with it a lot trying to get it to group better but it just will not.

I have owned a few other CZ 452's and if I had to bet on the one with the best accuracy I would pick the CZ.

drover

 

[Eric Leonard]

my CZ and there forefathers BRNO rifles of mine,,,they all shot very very well,,

 

[WyleWD]

A few years ago I bought the 452 Lux in 22R. Brought it home, cleaned the barrel really well (it had what appeared to be either grease or cosmoline in it), floated the barrel, lightened the trigger, put a 3-9x scope on it and took several different brands and types of ammo for it out to the range. In short order it was obvious that it liked CCI mini mags in either HP or solid point over the others I tried. Very happy with it as is for a squirrel and plinking rifle. A buddy of mine had a Ruger in 17m2 that was exceptionally accurate. I'm still traumatized that I got back with him the next day trying to buy it and he'd already sold it.

Looks like Mr. Big has the market cornered on the CZs. WD

 

[Eric Leonard]

I like a good set of easily adjustable sights on my smallbore rifles and CZ/Brno has the market on those,,,,,it is really fun to have my 452 UL and when some yahoo is blasting away at the 200 yard gong with an AR15 and some kind of optic and I can adjust the sight on the Ultra Lux and ding ding ding at standing offhand ,,that rifle in the Klinsky stock is the easiest rifle to shoot offhand I have ever shot,,and with Wolf MT it will shoot under an inch at 100 yards with the receiver sights ,,
the 452 American is as accurate a squirrel rifle as a man could ask for,,the 452 Trainer and Brno Model 2 are as good all around 22`s as there are made and my favorite the Brno Model 4 with the 1.5 ounce Langely trigger with it`s factory Olympic style sights will cut X`s all day on the NRA targets,,

 

[Mark W]

Was there an accuracy problem? I don't know about the 455s but the previous 452 and 453 rifles when new had some sort of almost impenetrable gunk in the barrels that took quite a bit of effort to remove. It wouldn't shoot out, I know that.

I dont recall having this problem with either of my 455 barrels.

 

[Eric Leonard]

my CZ and there forefathers BRNO rifles of mine,,,they all shot very very well,,

the rifle at far left was a Model 3 Stecher with double set triggers was made for the 56 olympics and the Chechs won gold with the rifle,,only 75 survived and I was offered a whole lot more than I paid for it and bought a Stiller Tac 30 action and an AICS 1.5 chassis on the profit I made on that rifle,,

 

[Eric Leonard]

I dont recall having this problem with either of my 455 barrels.

the 452s did have some preservative in the bbl that needed removed before shooting or it would build up and constrict the bbl,,I would drown the bbls with a mix of Kroil and Butchs over night patch out clean and repeat 3-4 nights before firing a shot,,the patches would come out brown and i never got it all out but after cleaning it 3-4 times I would shoot about 100 rounds and then clean with JBs bore paste and then be good to go,,IDKif they changed on the 455s as the only 455 I have I put a Lilja bbl on before shooting,

 

[dolek]

My new Ruger has potential . It likes the cheap CCI SVs @ 50 yards.Tried some Federal Match/Target also. They did not do as well .Looking forward to testing ammo over the weekend .Ruger seems like a very solid rifle so far.

 

[22BRGUY]

my CZ and there forefathers BRNO rifles of mine,,,they all shot very very well,,

VERY NICE COLLECTION!

 

[mrh1958]

Brown bluing? This was like cosmoline and had to be brushed out, soaked, brushed out, soaked........ It was not bluing.

Go here:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234957

Scroll down to THE FIRST Cleaning Getting the Gunk out. click on that link.

CZs are KNOWN for their barrel preservative protocol.

Yes the bluing is brown and I know it is the bluing coming out of the barrel and your wasting your time trying to remove it, to prove to yourself its bluing, shine a flashlight on the blued metal surface and see what color is there, no preservative would stand up to cleaning like that. I asked one of the top benchrest gunsmiths in this country about this same subject many years ago and he passed the info along to me. Just because you read something on RFC doesn't mean its correct. If you want to wear yourself and you bore out trying to remove that's your choice, just trying to save you some work

 

[dolek]

Yes the bluing is brown and I know it is the bluing coming out of the barrel and your wasting your time trying to remove it, to prove to yourself its bluing, shine a flashlight on the blued metal surface and see what color is there, no preservative would stand up to cleaning like that. I asked one of the top benchrest gunsmiths in this country about this same subject many years ago and he passed the info along to me. Just because you read something on RFC doesn't mean its correct. If you want to wear yourself and you bore out trying to remove that's your choice, just trying to save you some work

Never have I seen bluing built up like cosmoline or shellac ? But I guess you have seen ALL the CZs come off the line ?

 

[Eric Leonard]

I have cleaned several new CZ 452`s and after you get the grease or cosmoline or whatever they use out of the bore you will start to get something else on your patches that is brown,,IDK what the brown is but you will never get it all out,,at least I never have,,

 

[hogpatrol]

I have cleaned several new CZ 452`s and after you get the grease or cosmoline or whatever they use out of the bore you will start to get something else on your patches that is brown,,IDK what the brown is but you will never get it all out,,at least I never have,,

That's the "bluing".

 

[TheOtherZilla]

I own severL CZ'S, one is a 455.. None have had anything come out of the barrel cept bullets and cleaning rods.. Nothing brown. I also have a 17HMR barrel for the 455. No brown in it either..

 

[mrh1958]

Never have I seen bluing built up like cosmoline or shellac ? But I guess you have seen ALL the CZs come off the line ?

That’s fine go ahead and clean that brown out of there ,someone offers you helpful advise and you act like this. SMH. I hope others here don’t think the brown coming out of the bore some type of lube because it’s not.

 

[Pyscodog]

My new Ruger has potential . It likes the cheap CCI SVs @ 50 yards.Tried some Federal Match/Target also. They did not do as well .Looking forward to testing ammo over the weekend .Ruger seems like a very solid rifle so far.

I get very similar groups with my Ruger using the same ammo. Mine didn't like the Federal either.