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Who is going to present the ITAR issue to team Trump for a 1st day VETO?

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Donald Trump has listed "canceling every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum, and order issued by President Obama", on his FIRST day. We need to make sure the ITAR issue is one of the issues on his desk. Is there already a plan for this? Is someone already taking the initiative to get this going? Do any of you have any suggestions on what should be done if not already in place? I am a studying machinist and this will very much affect what i do and don't do in the coming years. I don't know what to do personally but feel compelled to either figure it out or at least make sure it is being handled.
Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help, and if there is no actual plan, please let this thread be a place to exchange ideas on this very important issue. Thanks, Jesse
 
There is already legislation to stop this introduced by Sen. Steve Daines (MT) and another senator who I can't remember but call and let your own elected officials know how you feel squeaky wheel gets the grease.
 
Gotcha, glad to hear. Trump has stated that he will VETO all executive orders on his first day and thought this could be the way to go. Forgive my loose understanding of how this works, but I don't think legislation is necessary since it was put through by executive order. I believe this falls under one of the EO's that can be vetoed, if i'm not mistaken, which i might be. If that is the case, the legislation that has been put together is no longer necessary. Is this correct? Jesse
 
It appears the Trumpeter is changing his tune, now that he is President elect:rolleyes: His fan club fell for that BS:D
 
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There has been an "initiative" (The Export Reform Control initiative) on the table for the past 6-7 yrs. to remove some items from the USML and ITAR to the Dept. of Commerce. When this initiative is completed sporting arms, among other not so secret items, will be out of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations and exports of said items will be handled by the Dept. of Commerce just like any other commonly exported item. Legislation is "on the table". Failure to complete this "initiative" has been a job killer. It not only effects sporting firearms but many other common goods that might otherwise be sold to over seas customers. There's a web site for "suggestions" here, www.GreatAgain.gov Let your voice be heard. Call your Congressman, Senators and make a "suggestion". Let us hope that "common sense" will prevail! After all, that's why Trump was elected, because of the lack of "common sense" over the past 7 1/2+ yrs. (The NRA, The NSSF, The ACGG and others have been 'on this'. There is a lot of info to be found on the NSSF web site)
 
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ITAR registration was enacted in 2006 during the Bush Administration. It was not associated with Gun Smiths as they don't export. Then DDTC/ITAR redefined many of the function performed by Gun Smiths. They declared in the July 22,2016 DDTC that Gun Smiths were Manufacturers and must Register.
 
Rustystud said:
ITAR registration was enacted in 2006 during the Bush Administration. It was not associated with Gun Smiths as they don't export. Then DDTC/ITAR redefined many of the function performed by Gun Smiths. They declared in the July 22,2016 DDTC that Gun Smiths were Manufacturers and must Register.
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The question then can or will Trump change it . Larry
 
Yes he can change it, so can congress. There is a LOT that is going to be on the agenda. I hope that this issue is resolved soon after he is sworn in, but only time will tell. Both of the legislators that I have contacted stated that the letters from both the senate and house that were sent to the State Dept. have gone unanswered, and will most likely remain that way until the new cabinet is in place. Staying in contact with our representatives is crucial if this is reversed in the near future. At least there is folks in office again, that are not anti-gun.
 
Dodge61 said:
Yes he can change it, so can congress. There is a LOT that is going to be on the agenda. I hope that this issue is resolved soon after he is sworn in, but only time will tell. Both of the legislators that I have contacted stated that the letters from both the senate and house that were sent to the State Dept. have gone unanswered, and will most likely remain that way until the new cabinet is in place. Staying in contact with our representatives is crucial if this is reversed in the near future. At least there is folks in office again, that are not anti-gun.
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Remember the noise wheel get the grease .
Just like stated above. Larry
 
yotehater said:
I'd sure like to see him reign in these exorbitant fees like the hazardous materials shipping tax.
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Hazmat fees are not a tax. Items defined as "explosive" or "hazardous materials" require special handling and packaging for safe transportation. Employees of companies that ship "explosives" or other hazardous materials are required to be trained to do so (DOT regulations). The training is provided by the shipping company (FedEx, UPS, ect) and it is NOT free, it costs a substantial amount. The company that the hazardous materials are shipped from sets the fee, partially paid to the shipping company for the 'special' handling, partially to the recover the costs of training employees, record keeping and the like. Several yrs ago I investigated becoming a "Hazmat Shipper", so I could sell powder and primers on line and ship to customers. Seems like the 'training', itself, was $1000 or $1200, it was 2 or 3 days long (which I would be out of my business) and the closest place was Dallas, TX. , where I'd have "out of town" living expenses. Just how much of those accumulated cost could I offer for free. And, I'd have to sell (and ship) a lot of "Hazardous materials" to recover my costs of training, staying out of town, being out of the shop for a few days and the required record keeping. NO ONE is in business to NOT be properly compensated for their time and efforts! Shipping hazardous materials is a safety issue that should be of concern of all that travel our high ways or travel by air. Ship it "wrong" and lives can be lost.
 
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Hazmat fees are not a tax. Items defined as "explosive" or "hazardous materials" require special handling and packaging for safe transportation. Employees of companies that ship "explosives" or other hazardous materials are required to be trained to do so (DOT regulations). The training is provided by the shipping company (FedEx, UPS, ect) and it is NOT free, it costs a substantial amount. The company that the hazardous materials are shipped from sets the fee, partially paid to the shipping company for the 'special' handling, partially to the recover the costs of training employees, record keeping and the like. Several yrs ago I investigated becoming a "Hazmat Shipper", so I could sell powder and primers on line and ship to customers. Seems like the 'training', itself, was $1000 or $1200, it was 2 or 3 days long (which I would be out of my business) and the closest place was Dallas, TX. , where I'd have "out of town" living expenses. Just how much of those accumulated cost could I offer for free. And, I'd have to sell (and ship) a lot of "Hazardous materials" to recover my costs of training, staying out of town, being out of the shop for a few days and the required record keeping. NO ONE is in business to NOT be properly compensated for their time and efforts! Shipping hazardous materials is a safety issue that should be of concern of all that travel our high ways or travel by air. Ship it "wrong" and lives can be lost.
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Short thanks for the explanation and good luck in any business. Not to you but to the regs I say complete and total BS. The truck or the jet carrying the "hazmat" has exponentially more explosive energy in its fuel tanks and way greater statistical probability of failure and crash than any box of powders or primers. Just railing against the system, the man. Cease fire is now over !! - Regards - mark

BTW WTH is ITAR ?? ENOUGH ACRONYMS WITHOUT A FIRST NOTICE

To the OP - Can't really tell what the hell you are talking about. Make it easy please. .. . . . . . Cheers !!!
 
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Flouncer said:
Short thanks for the explanation and good luck in any business. Not to you but to the regs I say complete and total BS. The truck or the jet carrying the "hazmat" has exponentially more explosive energy in its fuel tanks and way greater statistical probability of failure and crash than any box of powders or primers. Just railing against the system, the man. Cease fire is now over !! - Regards - mark

BTW WTH is ITAR ?? ENOUGH ACRONYMS WITHOUT A FIRST NOTICE

To the OP - Can't really tell what the hell you are talking about. Make it easy please. .. . . . . . Cheers !!!
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Not to mention all those spontaneous combusting cell phones. If that fee isn't a tax where is it going?.
 
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OK, say you're on your way to a business meeting,, flying from California to Hawaii. On board, along with 125 passengers (including you) are several shipped parcels. Say, a couple of dozen lithium batteries imported from China and a box containing 20lbs of smokeless powder shipped from a small local store. The 'cheap' lithium batteries combust, starting a small fire that eventually reaches that box containing the 20lbs of powder and now we have a real fire forcing the plane to crash into the sea. Not all are killed upon impact, the rest are injured seriously enough they drown. Could it have been prevented? Sure. So much for hazmat shipping regulations. They exist to protect the public. If you sell hazmat classified products, like powder and primers, you have to get them from somewhere, they don't magically appear at your business. If you're paying someone else to transport the hazmat items you want to sell to your business, you'll pay a hazmat fee to the transport company. If you're using your own truck(s) it'll have to be DOT inspected for safety (or would it not bother you to have a piece of junk, with bad tires and brakes and worn out tie rod ends on the road), your driver will have to have a drivers license of the appropriate classification. Not to mention the up-keep and fuel that truck will consume. Don't forget the driver has to be paid, too,,,,,, whether it's you the business owner or a hired hand. That's just one look at the big picture of things. ITAR= International Traffic in Arm Regulations made possible by the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 (google is your friend)
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Does this have anything to do with ITAR ? Larry
 
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