Which is "best". 6 x 47, 6XC, 6 Creedmore, 6SLR??
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i like the 6xc extremly accurate
Its the best no matter what anyone else says! I may be a little biased on my opinion 
The way I see it, there are only two kinds of people in this world. Those that like the XC and those who like Hillary HAHAHAHAThe OP has addressed that these 4 cartridges are all within the same velocity of one another...and I agree. So let's go one step further and look at quality of brass offering FACTORY offering
6x47L= Lapua (needs to be made)
6XC. = Tubb(No longer made), Norma
6SLR = can be made from several companies, (needs ro be made)
6 Creedmoor = Hornady brass
6XC and 6 Creedmoor are the only factory offerings of brass without prep. With that being said, the Norma brass is really good and I use it too. Reports of the Hornady 6 Creedmoor brass is soft in the pockets and will start loosening up around 4th shot. I cannot confirm that, just what I've read off snipershide.
I'd throw the tried and true .243 Win in this as well. Lapua brass and sorted Winchester to pick from. 45.5 Rl26 behind a 115dtac, I'm moving it 3110fps with great accuracy. Run a .090-.095 FB and use AI or accurate mags in your short action gun.
With all being said, I'm a 6XC snob, I shoot it in our BR Matches and usually do quite well with 107 smks
Also H4350 pretty much works in all the said cartridges too.
6x47L= Lapua (needs to be made)
6XC. = Tubb(No longer made), Norma
6SLR = can be made from several companies, (needs ro be made)
6 Creedmoor = Hornady brass
6XC and 6 Creedmoor are the only factory offerings of brass without prep. With that being said, the Norma brass is really good and I use it too. Reports of the Hornady 6 Creedmoor brass is soft in the pockets and will start loosening up around 4th shot. I cannot confirm that, just what I've read off snipershide.
I'd throw the tried and true .243 Win in this as well. Lapua brass and sorted Winchester to pick from. 45.5 Rl26 behind a 115dtac, I'm moving it 3110fps with great accuracy. Run a .090-.095 FB and use AI or accurate mags in your short action gun.
With all being said, I'm a 6XC snob, I shoot it in our BR Matches and usually do quite well with 107 smks
Also H4350 pretty much works in all the said cartridges too.
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Can a 6XC loaded with 105 Hybrids hit 3180 FPS from a 26" barrel and the primer pockets live to be loaded another day? The 6 Creedmoor can. Those who I've talked to about losing primer pockets quickly are over-revving it. My load is 42 gr H4350 and primers pockets still tight after six reloads.
Not saying the 6XC is bad; quite the opposite, as it has a great reputation in any long-range venue. A shooting bud shot the XC for a long time but just went to 6 Dasher. That XC showed me the door more than once. I myself have both 6CM and 6 Dasher and will say my respect for 6 Dasher gains steam every time I shoot it. The 6CM I have shot to 1250 yards and it still had some juice to go farther. At 1000 yards it only requires 6.7 mil dial up from 100 yard zero.
The 6-6.5x47 has long had a rep for poor accuracy among the long range BR guys.
The 6SLR is the one I can't comment on except that it seems to be a lot of work to get brass formed.
So (best I can narrow it down) my vote is split between 6 Creedmoor and 6XC.
Not saying the 6XC is bad; quite the opposite, as it has a great reputation in any long-range venue. A shooting bud shot the XC for a long time but just went to 6 Dasher. That XC showed me the door more than once. I myself have both 6CM and 6 Dasher and will say my respect for 6 Dasher gains steam every time I shoot it. The 6CM I have shot to 1250 yards and it still had some juice to go farther. At 1000 yards it only requires 6.7 mil dial up from 100 yard zero.
The 6-6.5x47 has long had a rep for poor accuracy among the long range BR guys.
The 6SLR is the one I can't comment on except that it seems to be a lot of work to get brass formed.
So (best I can narrow it down) my vote is split between 6 Creedmoor and 6XC.
One angle to consider is factory ammunition. I've bought two of the following three rounds to use in my 6XC - https://www.norma.cc/en/Products/Hunting/6XC/
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JCS
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JCS
The 6XC has my vote not that any other cartridge is bad. It is the perfect size. any longer or any shorter does not work as well. duno maybe... My .236 bore 4 groove 1-8 twist with kind of a tight chamber 26" long I run Berger 105 HVLD's at 3,150 FPS from 30 deg F all the way to 80 deg F , 85 to 90 I am at 3,180 FPS and Have no loose primer pockets. I load RL17 40.5grs. yes the RL17 I have is temp stable, don't know why but it is. I can and have pushed it over 3,200 FPS and it is still loadable but hard on my brass.
My .236 bore 1-7 twist 26" long with the 6XC II chamber I can push a 115 to 3,150 FPS but it is hard on brass but I dialed it back and got it shooting at 3,100- 3,120 FPS and it seems to shoot well and primer pockets are holding up tight. No trickery needed with the 6XC just load and go. very easy to load for and keep in tune. Both of mine have shot .300ish .400 ish groups at 200 yards. that like .150ish moa..have turned in a few 2 1/4" 3 shot groups at 700 yards. I am no expert shooter. just like accurate rifles. what turns me on about the XC is the no trickery needed. as accurate as a 6BR but enough velocity to make a long range hunting rife, low recoil low report. I have 8 one shot kills on deer with mine then head to the range and bang steel at 1K like shoot n cans at 25 yards with a 22LR. I feel it is the most accurate useable 6mm out there. I've said it before I am completely sold on the 6XC. its just right.
Glad I could Help.
My .236 bore 1-7 twist 26" long with the 6XC II chamber I can push a 115 to 3,150 FPS but it is hard on brass but I dialed it back and got it shooting at 3,100- 3,120 FPS and it seems to shoot well and primer pockets are holding up tight. No trickery needed with the 6XC just load and go. very easy to load for and keep in tune. Both of mine have shot .300ish .400 ish groups at 200 yards. that like .150ish moa..have turned in a few 2 1/4" 3 shot groups at 700 yards. I am no expert shooter. just like accurate rifles. what turns me on about the XC is the no trickery needed. as accurate as a 6BR but enough velocity to make a long range hunting rife, low recoil low report. I have 8 one shot kills on deer with mine then head to the range and bang steel at 1K like shoot n cans at 25 yards with a 22LR. I feel it is the most accurate useable 6mm out there. I've said it before I am completely sold on the 6XC. its just right.
Glad I could Help.
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I have a pac of them Norma's too Factory Norma loaded with a molly coated Berger 105 VLD Target. Quite Expensive, not for shooting, Just for looken at. well I shot a few of them,not a hand load .Looks like the price came down only $112.00 for 50 rounds when I got them I thought they were like 145.00
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what will any of those do that a straight 243 Win wont,,,I have a 28 inch 8 twist Krieger chambered in 243 Win with the throat lengthened to seat the 105 VLDH at 2.825 COAL and have a .020 jump ,,,
with H4350 it runs those 105 VLDH bullets at 3200+ and shoots very well,,it`s to easy for most people I guess,,
with H4350 it runs those 105 VLDH bullets at 3200+ and shoots very well,,it`s to easy for most people I guess,,
The 6XC came about by trying to improve on the 243 Win faults. the XC is better feeding with VLD type bullets, It's is more inherently accurate has better barrel life case's stretch less. there maybe more but just what I can think of.
In most cases the 6XC can duplicate or exceed 243 win Velocity. In a properly set up 243 I would think the 7.0gr difference would help some in the velocity but it give's up too much in everything else to justify the slight speed difference. The 6XC is just kind of a perfect case for launching the VLD type bullets. I thought about a 6 SLR, I had a reamer for a .243 30deg IMP and dies ready to chamber a new barrel and after shooting a 6XC for about a year I decided to sell the reamer and dies and just chamber it in 6XC because it is so easy to load,So accurate. It is just RIGHT is the only words that I can explain. I had a buddy just put a 1-8 243 together. I tried and tried to talk him into a 6XC but some just don't understand it. It shoots well. But it is not a 6XC by any means.
This is my professional opinion yours may differ or vary slightly.
In most cases the 6XC can duplicate or exceed 243 win Velocity. In a properly set up 243 I would think the 7.0gr difference would help some in the velocity but it give's up too much in everything else to justify the slight speed difference. The 6XC is just kind of a perfect case for launching the VLD type bullets. I thought about a 6 SLR, I had a reamer for a .243 30deg IMP and dies ready to chamber a new barrel and after shooting a 6XC for about a year I decided to sell the reamer and dies and just chamber it in 6XC because it is so easy to load,So accurate. It is just RIGHT is the only words that I can explain. I had a buddy just put a 1-8 243 together. I tried and tried to talk him into a 6XC but some just don't understand it. It shoots well. But it is not a 6XC by any means.
This is my professional opinion yours may differ or vary slightly.
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Yes! and why be disappointed. Any time you modify a case you can have issues that are not good. I have fire formed,neck turned,pushed shoulder's back cut and trimed ect ect. It can be done and work well it can also be a headache and more work than I care for and WHY when there is the 6XC . I don't know but I think maybe we should thank MR Tubb. I think it's because of his work that we have the 6XC and quality Norma Brass available.
THANK YOU MR David Tubb.
you can buy this rifle chambered in 6XC . why a 1-9 twist is beyond me. I called about one.I think it will eventually be a factory chambering.
http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=149
http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=149
While they all share the same 30 degree shoulder, they are NOT the same in case capacity. You've got around 47g capacity with the 6x47 on the low end and 54g case capacity with the 6 SLR on the high end. That's about 80 fps difference at equal pressures with a 105g bullet, and also starts to have an effect on how well you could run a 115g bullet and whether you'd use a powder like H4350 vs being able to use H4831SC which is a lot easier to obtain.
The speed doesn't make that much of a difference, at these velocities you're looking at needing maybe 90fps extra speed to pick up 0.1 mil of improved wind drift at 1000 yards in a 10mph wind. But the pressure differences and how "hot" you run it would certainly affect brass and barrel life.
I'd say that brass drives the decision first and foremost. 6x47 gets the nod for best quality and maybe second easiest to prep. 6xC is plug and play but Norma brass isn't quite as good as Lapua. 6 Creedmoor third place, 6 SLR is either crappy/thin brass that's easy to form or nice Lapua brass and neck turning with possible donuts.
Second biggest factor would be bullet choice, if you want to run the 115's (ie DTAC's) then the 6 Creed and 6 SLR start to look like the better choice. Similar story if you want to use H4831.
Second biggest factor would be bullet choice, if you want to run the 115's (ie DTAC's) then the 6 Creed and 6 SLR start to look like the better choice. Similar story if you want to use H4831.
I don't believe that for one minute. MR Tubb has won shooting the 115 DTAC's out of the the 6XC and he also stated he had shot them at 3,200 FPS out of the 6XC. Many other shooters have also won matches shooting the 115 DTAC's out of the 6XC. I have pushed the Berger 115 VLD's out of the 6XC at 3,200 FPS I don't recommend it but you can.
The 6XC is the best choice. Everything else is just a squoosh this way or that way to try and gain something that may or not be there
To add to that I think German Salazar won the Arizona state 1,000 yard championship shooting H4831 a 115 VLD in a 6XC.
so your statement there is just not valid at all. sorry I hate being the bad guy.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/6xc-for-competitive-shooting/
I don't believe that for one minute. MR Tubb has won shooting the 115 DTAC's out of the the 6XC and he also stated he had shot them at 3,200 FPS out of the 6XC. Many other shooters have also won matches shooting the 115 DTAC's out of the 6XC. I have pushed the Berger 115 VLD's out of the 6XC at 3,200 FPS I don't recommend it but you can.
The 6XC is the best choice. Everything else is just a squoosh this way or that way to try and gain something that may or not be there
To add to that I think German Salazar won the Arizona state 1,000 yard championship shooting H4831 a 115 VLD in a 6XC.
so your statement there is just not valid at all. sorry I hate being the bad guy.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/6xc-for-competitive-shooting/
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