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which 6mm??

Hi i have a 22/250 rem700 vssf and the barrle is comming to the end of its life. So was wanting to rebarrle it in 6mm as i under stand 6mm is easyer on barrles than 22 with the same amount of powder . i see a 6mmbr will match a 22/250 and is better on barrles but i was told that thay dont feed from a mag very well. So was looking at the 6x47 swiss match , 6x47 lapua , 6xc .
I want to shoot light bullets for fox shooting and wanted to keep under the size of a 243 as i under stand that are not good on barrles ether. So what 6mm should i go for
 
I like the looks of the 6x47.It has a longer neck than a .243 Win,and less case capacity.60-75 gr bullets can be safely loaded to 3200-3500 fps,with less powder,and should have no problem feeding from you magazine.The Lapua brass may be high.I couldn't find any other than 6.5x47.Depends on how many rounds you expect to shoot in a year,cost,etc.
 
Strud34, have you considered the 6/250 or 6/250 AI? Just neck up your old brass. Gives you a smaller case than the .243.

I too have a Rem VSSF, in .220 Swift. Barrel is young but when it gets shot out I am looking at the .240 Cobra, the .220 AI necked up to 6mm. The VSSF is a beauty rifle.
 
You might want to skip the swiss Match. There is no Brass imported in the US as of right now. Maybe in the future.

Of the ones you mentioned I would go with the 6XC or 6X 22-250. Both have everything available to you.
Just my thought... Its always fun to come up with a plan for a new rifle. Its the wait of completion that kills me.

Have fun& be safe.

RussT
 
Hi i live in England so just looking on Midwayuk to see and cant get the 6x47SM brass so cant get it over here ether
 
Strud34, my 6X47 Lapua is on a solid bottomed action but I do have a 6.5X47 Lapua on a Rem 700 action that feeds as slick as an icy road. I don't see where there should be any feeding problems with a 6X47L. I have achieved 3100+ fps with 105Berger's so I'm assuming with light bullets in a slower twist, you should get some impressive velocities and the cases hold up well to high pressure loads.
 
How about the 6x250. You can get good velocities w/bullets up to 107 grs, uses the same amount of powder, will feed exactly the same, and you have tons of brass to boot.

All you need are a new set of dies and they are usually not considered custom so really should not be an expensive conversion.

The cartridge is very accurate and the bbl life would be longer than the 22 cal version.

Bob
 
i looked at 6/250 but want to get away from that as the case tapers a lot which i find is poor for case life and lots of trimming, i also looked at 6/250ai (less case taper)but cant fint any dies. most on here faver the lapua, no ones said about the 6xc any reason .I can also use 22/250 brass for the 6xc which is handy.
will the small primers on the lapua be a problem in cold weather ?
 
I have shot the .22 series for a long time. Just a few years ago I bought my first 6mmBR. Now I am stuck on them. I have two 6mmBR's and a 6mm Dasher. The one 6br I have a 1-14 twist. It will stabilize bullets up to and including the 70 grainers. It seems like just about anything I put through it will shoot half inch groups and better. I am very pleased with it, and it really does a number on woodchucks. Mild recoil, and I basically like the looks of the case for some reason. They are easy to reload also. Then I bought a 6mm Dasher. Dont know why. The BR does just as good. I am not a long range shooter so there was probably no point in purchasing it. But it is also a good shooter.
My opinion is if you want to get out of the 22 caliber, and into something different, the 6mmBR cant be beat. With a no neck turn chamber, and Lapua brass, its quite the ticket.
 
Look at the 6CM has great barrel life and accuracy. The only problem is you use 107 - 115 grain pills , may not be what your looking for.
 
strud, I would recommend thqt you take a look at the 6MMSuper LR advertised on the 6mmAR web site. John Whidden, an accomplished long-range shooter, came up with the round based on an altered 243 case. He has some interesting info regarding longer barrel life and great velocity with easy case forming. Hope this helps. Ron
 
Strud, i was mistaken about the gentleman who has the 6mmAR.com web site. The correct name is Robt. Whitley. My apologies to both he and Mr. Whidden. Sorry. Ron
 
My 6AI is approaching the mid-point of its barrel life and I am looking for a cartridge that will give better results at the short ranges.

I was knocked out of the F Class Saturday Agg at the 2009 Ontario Fullbore Champs because of my 300 score on the 0.5 moa V-Bull with the 6AI. The 2010 Canadian Fullbores will be using the 0.4 moa ICFRA V-Bull at 300.

So at the moment my planning for 2011 revolves around the 6CM and the 6 Super LR. Both retain the case length of the .243 Win. I have a lot of low usage .243 Win brass from a Savage 12FV F Class rifle I used two years ago. Redding F/L bushing dies are available for both. Neither requires neck turning. Both are a simple resize of the .243 Win case.

I an leaning towards the 6 SLR because of its longer neck and I think it would be easier to control headspace when fireforming.
 
Strud34,

6SM brass can be obtained in the UK but by special order and considerable expense - it's German made by RWS and would have to be specially ordered through RUAG Ammotech (UK). You'd likely wait months and pay £1.50 or £2 per case.

There is little benefit if any though in 6SM over 6XC except for available brass quality and the small rifle primer size of the SM compared to the large primer in the XC. However, neither of these now apply, or necessarily benefit you. 6XC brass can be formed from .22-250 Rem and we'll get Lapua .22-250 later this year. Also, Brian Fox (Fox Firearms UK in Stockport) will take Norma brass orders and so should be able to obtain Norma 6XC cases if required - it's pricey though, likely £1 / case and it takes time as the importer will only add small orders onto their next large one which only happens once or twice a year. Either way though that solves the brass quality issue. (Actually, most people use Winchester .22-250 cases and they're more than good enough unless you're going to shoot F-Class at long-range or similar.)

At full-throttle loads, 6XC barrel life is around 2,000 rounds. That is not that much better really than .22-250 or .243 Winchester. There is a lot to be said for the old .243W in the type of shooting you're doing with 55-75gn bullets for foxes. A 243 with a quality barrel can shoot as well as most cartridges if fed good handloads. There is lots of good quality brass to be had off the shelf and at reasonable prices. Likewise you can get match and/or bushing dies etc without any trouble - no special ordering and high prices as with 6SM, no case-forming as with 6XC.

While the SM brass small primer is (possibly) a plus with a match action with a small dia. tightly fitting firing pin - BAT, Barnard, RPA etc - it is a mighty disadvantage with your factory 700VSSF set-up. A large diameter and relatively loosely fitting pin will likely see you get primer cratering / piercing before you reach full pressures and restrict your loads. (Been there, got that T-shirt!) The 6XC (or any other cartridge based on the .22-250 or 308W cases) with its large primer is probably better suited to your action. In the USA, 700 action users can get Gre-Tan to turn down their firing pin and bush the bolt body at a very reasonable price - we've nobody doing this job on a regular basis in the UK, so it would be pricey if you find you need to have it done.

The 6X47 Lapua case and its 6mm wildcat offshoot also use small primers, so you could suffer the same problems there. I have a rebarrelled .308 FN SPR (Winchester 70 WSM action) in 6.5X47L that suffers really badly from this problem, so I have to run around 200 fps down on people using this cartridge in rifles with custom actions otherwise I pierce primers, even using SRM or BR types with their hard cups.

I hope these thoughts help.

Laurie,
York, England
 
RonRouse said:
strud, I would recommend thqt you take a look at the 6MMSuper LR advertised on the 6mmAR web site. John Whidden, an accomplished long-range shooter, came up with the round based on an altered 243 case. He has some interesting info regarding longer barrel life and great velocity with easy case forming. Hope this helps. Ron

John Whidden shot a straight 243 Winch with 105 Berger Vld
bullets .No doubt this compromise work very well at 1000yds.


Michel
 
That 6mm SuperLR looks like it solves alot of problems. Wish I would have known about it before I bought my own 243AI reamer. It has a long neck, slightly smaller case capacity and requires no fire forming which are all a big plus over the 243AI.

Lance
 
Doesn't the 6SM use large primers? That being the case, the main advantage of the 6SM over the 6XC would be the longer neck.
The nice thing about the 6x47 Lapua and 6XC is the availability of Forster FL dies and really the only choice between the 2 is the small primer Lapua brass or large primer Norma brass with the correct headstamp.
RUAG have really missed a trick in not promoting the 6SM and making brass more available IMHO. Maybe Lapua should just produce some 6SM brass with small primers just as they have with the .308 Palma ammo. Maybe that would ultimately provide the answer to which mid-sized 6mm?
 
.223 Remington use an average of twenty less grains of powder than required of a suitable .243 Winchester load. The average 6mm load requires 40.0 to 45.0 grains of SUITABLE powder: i.e. Hodgdon H4350, or why waste the time of experimentation to find the "perfect" load for one's rifle? Cliffy
 

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