Where to purchase a Savage 12 LRPV
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I can get a 12 LRPV,1:8) from a friend,dealer) for $950 ish.
This rifle is mostly in the field & some target - nothing formal.
Money is an issue, so...
Next item is the scope.
Yes I know money is an issue, didn't I just say that?
I'm looking at a NightForce 8-32 56mm
Issues:
Regular or Benchrest? What is the difference?
Reticle: NP-R1 vs. NP-1RR.
Other scopes?
I own several Leupold 6.5x20's.
I have a range finder.
Any & all input much appreciated.
This rifle is mostly in the field & some target - nothing formal.
Money is an issue, so...
Next item is the scope.
Yes I know money is an issue, didn't I just say that?
I'm looking at a NightForce 8-32 56mm
Issues:
Regular or Benchrest? What is the difference?
Reticle: NP-R1 vs. NP-1RR.
Other scopes?
I own several Leupold 6.5x20's.
I have a range finder.
Any & all input much appreciated.
** Savage Arms, ** please be aware of a recent development concerning this rifle, and in particular the line of LRPV’s it is a part of.
Within the last two weeks, a new Rule in NRA F-Class has been officially implemented recognizing as a division Factory Class / Harris Bipod / 14 pound scoped rifles.
I wasn’t the promulgator in any way of this new Rule, but I, and many, many others will be a very big fan of it.
The Rule invokes a certain, simpler but very refreshing approach to prone shooting competition.
There is no direct line of communication serving as a feedback loop in place between NRA Rule makers and our equipment manufacturers, nor does there need to be, so as a consumer I want to mention a couple of points.
First, while the single shot, three action screw Model 12 LRPV is old news in your lineup, it is without a doubt, your best platform for this brand new class. In the range of my experience, it is not bettered by ANY offering I have had or am aware of.
This brings me to my primary point, they are virtually GONE in the supply chain. This week I took possession of the last one that Midway USA’s “suppliers” had, such that after my order, the 6BR 8 twist was out of stock, and today I ordered what is apparently the last one that Palmetto State’s “suppliers” have, such that now, it too shows out of stock.
I know that this has always been a niche item. I know that the margins on the LRPV are slimmer, that H&S Precision decides for itself what it chooses to do, and I can infer that historically these completed rifles, representing a LOT of production effort, then moved more slowly than other product, BUT please do not let off the gas now.
You haven’t needed to rework this gun because it has been perfect in what it is, (although mostly appealing to a discerning, but narrow slice of rifle buyers). Now, at 11.0 pounds shipped, it makes 14.0 pounds, the exact weight limit prescribed. You have put nothing but a heavy 26 inch barrel on it, which is the exact maximum length permitted in the factory class Rule.
The only problem I can foresee isn’t with the rifle itself, but laying hands on them in the future, or even today.
The model 12 LRPV is something like 19 or 20 years old, and the new Rule that will immortalize a new role for it of finally “living its best life” is two weeks old but I hope, better late than never. “Varmint” shooting wasn’t it, we will never run out of paper scoring rings to shoot at, or be happier in the perfect shot (with a rifle like this), than when it beats other human competitors.
I’m tuning to put the 6 BR into this class, hunting for a record like others will be with resurfacing factory rifles. Today my friend and I shot mini 5 round pair fire matches on the NRA SR 1, but at 200 yards in afternoon wind, instead of 100 yards (the 8 isn’t mine).
Savage, when this gun came out, Remington, Browning, Ruger and Winchester thick barreled guns could be readily had. Not true now.
Please keep persisting. In a very ironic way your company has no reason to think about and no way to measure, these guns along with the F-Class, 30 inch Model 12’s, have brought into the competition gun hobby, MANY multiples of the retail dollars that they cost.
These guns created FANS, - real diehards and purists, - out of the masses and throngs of casual gun owners who only came to really appreciate rifles after the satisfaction of one that can truly shoot. The biggest beneficiaries are custom makers, because your heavy guns have always pushed the envelope of factory offerings, making it impossible not to wonder about the custom competition gun.
If the return hasn’t always been there on them, this Rule is hopefully a big step in that direction. Regardless, the guns are highly esteemed by a great many people in the know, and we need them now more than ever.
Within the last two weeks, a new Rule in NRA F-Class has been officially implemented recognizing as a division Factory Class / Harris Bipod / 14 pound scoped rifles.
I wasn’t the promulgator in any way of this new Rule, but I, and many, many others will be a very big fan of it.
The Rule invokes a certain, simpler but very refreshing approach to prone shooting competition.
There is no direct line of communication serving as a feedback loop in place between NRA Rule makers and our equipment manufacturers, nor does there need to be, so as a consumer I want to mention a couple of points.
First, while the single shot, three action screw Model 12 LRPV is old news in your lineup, it is without a doubt, your best platform for this brand new class. In the range of my experience, it is not bettered by ANY offering I have had or am aware of.
This brings me to my primary point, they are virtually GONE in the supply chain. This week I took possession of the last one that Midway USA’s “suppliers” had, such that after my order, the 6BR 8 twist was out of stock, and today I ordered what is apparently the last one that Palmetto State’s “suppliers” have, such that now, it too shows out of stock.
I know that this has always been a niche item. I know that the margins on the LRPV are slimmer, that H&S Precision decides for itself what it chooses to do, and I can infer that historically these completed rifles, representing a LOT of production effort, then moved more slowly than other product, BUT please do not let off the gas now.
You haven’t needed to rework this gun because it has been perfect in what it is, (although mostly appealing to a discerning, but narrow slice of rifle buyers). Now, at 11.0 pounds shipped, it makes 14.0 pounds, the exact weight limit prescribed. You have put nothing but a heavy 26 inch barrel on it, which is the exact maximum length permitted in the factory class Rule.
The only problem I can foresee isn’t with the rifle itself, but laying hands on them in the future, or even today.
The model 12 LRPV is something like 19 or 20 years old, and the new Rule that will immortalize a new role for it of finally “living its best life” is two weeks old but I hope, better late than never. “Varmint” shooting wasn’t it, we will never run out of paper scoring rings to shoot at, or be happier in the perfect shot (with a rifle like this), than when it beats other human competitors.
I’m tuning to put the 6 BR into this class, hunting for a record like others will be with resurfacing factory rifles. Today my friend and I shot mini 5 round pair fire matches on the NRA SR 1, but at 200 yards in afternoon wind, instead of 100 yards (the 8 isn’t mine).
Savage, when this gun came out, Remington, Browning, Ruger and Winchester thick barreled guns could be readily had. Not true now.
Please keep persisting. In a very ironic way your company has no reason to think about and no way to measure, these guns along with the F-Class, 30 inch Model 12’s, have brought into the competition gun hobby, MANY multiples of the retail dollars that they cost.
These guns created FANS, - real diehards and purists, - out of the masses and throngs of casual gun owners who only came to really appreciate rifles after the satisfaction of one that can truly shoot. The biggest beneficiaries are custom makers, because your heavy guns have always pushed the envelope of factory offerings, making it impossible not to wonder about the custom competition gun.
If the return hasn’t always been there on them, this Rule is hopefully a big step in that direction. Regardless, the guns are highly esteemed by a great many people in the know, and we need them now more than ever.
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Just slightly older than this thread
Yeah, even harder to find now, than then. I stopped looking after the fourth search page hadn’t produced one in stock. It would be great to see a new, true long range chambering, but maintaining just the status quo looks iffy, presently.
323
Silver $$ Contributor
That makes me both happy and sad. Happy because they did have one 1:7 .223 LRPV, sad because when Europtic does have something you really like, (that exact gun more than qualifying) if you have been at this for a long time, you know that very likely means that SKU is endangered. Thank you though, it’s on the way too.
Infrequent Shooter
Gold $$ Contributor
have not read the rules... can one use an LRPV w barrel change provided it meets other criteria?
I just read some postings. It looks like a replacement barrel can be used if original specs. Rem 40x were way under 3k, but I presume they were not 'production' rifles.... In car racing, there used to be a class of factory cars where the MFG produced a minimum of X number of cars that year to compete. Porsche and Ferrari played in this class and may still.
I just read some postings. It looks like a replacement barrel can be used if original specs. Rem 40x were way under 3k, but I presume they were not 'production' rifles.... In car racing, there used to be a class of factory cars where the MFG produced a minimum of X number of cars that year to compete. Porsche and Ferrari played in this class and may still.
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Yes, the new rules contemplate a replacement barrel. This is the relevant paragraph. No doubt, there will be discussion coming on questions like whether contour actually needs to be measured, how much deviation is permissible (especially for 700’s where weight headroom for a replacement contour a bit more like an M-24 does exist) - and on this gun, - replicating that barrel nut, shallow factory flutes, and so forth in general.
From Rule 3 on Equipment, under F-Production Rifles,
“(4) Barrels - Replacement barrels from a different manufacturer are permitted but must be of the same contour, dimensions, and specifications as the original factory barrel. Barrel length may not exceed 26 inches, excluding suppressor, if any.”
Infrequent Shooter
Gold $$ Contributor
I think this new class, rules/set is a great idea.
FWIW, have a LRPV in .223, 7 twist . My first range rifle shooting 500 yards into 4 and 5” gongs. Has been great through 2000+ rounds. Bolt lift is somewhat stiffer than I prefer, but not a deal since it’s single shot and I shoot it slowly anyway. Target action and trigger are great, IMO.
Rebarreling it with a Shilen 26” select match bull barrel in 7 twist.
Rebarreling it with a Shilen 26” select match bull barrel in 7 twist.
longbow59
Gold $$ Contributor
Forget the Savage LRPV in 223, 7 twist. I bought one last April, had to order it took a month to get it. When I received it the barrel had more copper in it then a copper mine and the bolt lug had gouges in it so you knew the receiver was screwed up too. Sent it back to Savage and waited over 6 months to get another one. Finally got scope mounted on it and took it out to shoot last week, Broke it in shoot and clean shoot and clean with 55gr Hornady FMJ, no problem, Shot 5 69gr Sierra HPBT none ever reached the target, they were coming apart. Got home examined the bore with bore scope lands have machining marks on them from chamber to about half way down the barrel and had many spots that looked like metal had flaked off. Of course I tried to lap the barrel figuring I could smooth it out. Big mistake. Called Savage, they won't do anything about it because I lapped the barrel, I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER SAVAGE.
Sounds like a good candidate for a Savage prefit barrel.
That’s very interesting. First bad thing I’ve heard about the “ upper end “ Savage target guns. That’s especially true of the accuracy. I will say this. You stick a bore scope down a factory Savage barrel at your own risk as far as your mental health is concerned! The barrel on my LRPV looks like a corrugated drain pipe. How it shoots as good as it does is a real mystery! Even though the barrel is not shot out and still shoots sub-MOA, I’ve decided to rebarrel with a Shilen select match bull barrel. Have one on another rifle and it’s just been amazing.
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323
Silver $$ Contributor
I saw that 223 as well they also had one in a 5.56 anyhow thought be a cheap way into a Ftr setup and shoot 85.5 at 1k if one was inclined to do that if anything be a great midrange rifle.
Bottom Fodder
Silver $$ Contributor
I have no dog in this hunt but I had five McGowen Savage prefit barrels and have been very pleased with all
Infrequent Shooter
Gold $$ Contributor
Earlier I mentioned a 40x. It is probably on the heavy side.
1. Do the rules permit a lighter fiberglass stock?
2. Could a fellow or gal, rebarrel a 308 to a 6.5 of his liking?
Are the new rules actually released and official?
1. Do the rules permit a lighter fiberglass stock?
2. Could a fellow or gal, rebarrel a 308 to a 6.5 of his liking?
Are the new rules actually released and official?
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