Where is all the Retumbo?

[17VLD]

Retumbo is the best kept secret in powder besides hybrid 100v

I really like Retumbo in my 6.5 WSM,3300fps with a 142 Sierra.Its very accurate and I like it better than the VV N-170 I used to use.I never wanted to do lots of load work with this cartridge,feel very fortunate to have discovered this secret powder.Cant wait to find an 8lb jug again someday
Matt

 

[46and2]

I really like Retumbo in my 6.5 WSM,3300fps with a 142 Sierra.Its very accurate and I like it better than the VV N-170 I used to use.I never wanted to do lots of load work with this cartridge,feel very fortunate to have discovered this secret powder.Cant wait to find an 8lb jug again someday
Matt

I use it in one of my 6.5wsm also. This barrel isn't throated like the other, so .000" freebore. 140 RDF 3200fps in 26" bbl.

 

[Kurz]

I know this has been covered in previous threads somewhere but here is a brief attempt at an explanation.

Hodgdon does not manufacturer any powder at all. They are just a distributor of powders they have manufactured elsewhere, mostly in Australia. Here is a grid showing the conversion of AUS powders to US powders:

It is a special note here to see that Retumbo is an AUS powder and is subject to shipping laws made by both AUS and the US which limits the amount of powder delivered to the US from AUS. It comes by ship in containers. That explains why Hodgdon states 'late 2019'. Some IMR powders are made in Canada, while Goex is still made in Louisiana. Winchester powders are made in Florida.

It is the maritime shipping laws which are the limiter for the amount of powder shipped from AUS. But what has happened is they have created a self-perpetuating hording cycle which now occurs with greater frequency because of the lack of stock from the manufacturers. This also serves to allow for consecutive price increases due to a lack of product and hording. Supply and demand. And it's not just powder but now brass has been in that cycle for the last year+ at least. Norma was the biggest offender so now I order brass by the pallet. Being egocentric, we all want to get ours and don't care what happens to anyone else. I'm not being critical. We continue to reinforce the cycle while the manufacturers simply go to the bank.

I certainly don't have a solution. There are several powders and cartridges I need to keep the business running so when I'm caught short I place back orders, hoping to capitalize on several suppliers being able to deliver larger qualities at the later date.

 

[46and2]

Last I talked to Hodgdon was back in May. It won’t really be back in supply until late 2019.

Does Hodgdon actually make Retumbo or do they just repackage it like H1000???

They stopped importing H50BMG because they said it didn't sell well... look at the component list for KO2K. WTF.

 

[46and2]

I know this has been covered in previous threads somewhere but here is a brief attempt at an explanation.

Hodgdon does not manufacturer any powder at all. They are just a distributor of powders they have manufactured elsewhere, mostly in Australia. Here is a grid showing the conversion of AUS powders to US powders:

It is a special note here to see that Retumbo is an AUS powder and is subject to shipping laws made by both AUS and the US which limits the amount of powder delivered to the US from AUS. It comes by ship in containers. That explains why Hodgdon states 'late 2019'. Some IMR powders are made in Canada, while Goex is still made in Louisiana. Winchester powders are made in Florida.

It is the maritime shipping laws which are the limiter for the amount of powder shipped from AUS. But what has happened is they have created a self-perpetuating hording cycle which now occurs with greater frequency because of the lack of stock from the manufacturers. This also serves to allow for consecutive price increases due to a lack of product and hording. Supply and demand. And it's not just powder but now brass has been in that cycle for the last year+ at least. Norma was the biggest offender so now I order brass by the pallet. Being egocentric, we all want to get ours and don't care what happens to anyone else. I'm not being critical. We continue to reinforce the cycle while the manufacturers simply go to the bank.

I certainly don't have a solution. There are several powders and cartridges I need to keep the business running so when I'm caught short I place back orders, hoping to capitalize on several suppliers being able to deliver larger qualities at the later date.

You answered my question 2 seconds before I asked it. lol

 

[ebb]

I just got back from the gun show, where I was talking to a vendor of ammo and reloading supplies. Ive known him for years, and trust him completely. He told me that Retumbo and all Australian made powders will be gone for months or more. He talked to his contact at Hodgdon earlier this week and a batch of powder in a drier caught fire and caused a big fire in the plant. I know that most times we hear inside info like this many times it is BS and this may be but this guy is above reproach.