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What's up with .22 creed ?

Wolfdog91

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What's up with .22 creed ? At least what's with its slowish adoption to the "main stream " ? Hornadys stuff seems to pick off popularity pretty quick and within a year or so and eveyone and there mom tends to have stuff for all prices ranges . The .22creed though, well seem to be staying more of a rich guys caliber. Like everything in really seeing for it are semi customs at the bare minimum . All the factory ammo is looking like $45 a box bare minimum ... And just seems like hornady isn't putting as much steam behind it as they did the creed or the ARC's.
So what's up with the 22 creed ?
 
They had a 2 year agreement with only 1 company to sell the ammo and guns. That has expired and you will see it on the shelf soon. It was in their 2026 new product announcements.
 
Most guys own a 22-250. I own a couple, maybe 4. I’d have to check the safe. Why would I go with the same basic thing except call it a “Creedmore “? I’m getting tired of them changing an old cartridge a little and calling it the NEW GREAT CARTRIDGE,
 
Most guys own a 22-250. I own a couple, maybe 4. I’d have to check the safe. Why would I go with the same basic thing except call it a “Creedmore “? I’m getting tired of them changing an old cartridge a little and calling it the NEW GREAT CARTRIDGE,
I’m no Creedmoor fanboy, however, the 22 Creed is a big improvement over the 22-250. It gets rid of the excessive body taper (less trimming and longer useful brass life) but the big deal is the 22 Creedmoor is meant to handle longer modern bullets because it’s not hamstringed with a 1-14” rate of twist.
 
Yes, I read the sales pitch. I’m shooting “modern”?? 75 and 80 grain bullets in my 223.
They’re not screaming but neither am I from having to replace my barrel after 1000 rounds. I have plenty of other guns that shoot heavier bullets. My 6xc comes to mind.
 
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I’m no Creedmoor fanboy, however, the 22 Creed is a big improvement over the 22-250. It gets rid of the excessive body taper (less trimming and longer useful brass life) but the big deal is the 22 Creedmoor is meant to handle longer modern bullets because it’s not hamstringed with a 1-14” rate of twist.
isnt that what a 22-250 AI did way back when?
and when you do that, you usually go with your own spec'd out custom barrel anyhow
which ends up being a 1:8 twist if you want it to be
Yeah, I dunno man, I would not own a 22 Creed unless someone gave it to me,
6.5 Creed Yes,
Maybe I'll neck up a 6.5 creed to a 7mm and call it a 7mm Scramjet
And see if the market bites huh?
New era of shooters wont know the difference
 
And its purpose and usefulness is?
me? didnt see you quote or address anyone
if me, then something slightly better than the 7BR
Nobody has used the 7BR in quite awhile and I dont know why when people are using the 30BR still
there's room for something there to fill that niche
plus something that isnt out yet
thats all a creed is (kind of, just named different)
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Usefulness? Efficiency of case and low recoil for a somewhat large caliber
Use of High BC bullets
(I mean guys are using a 223 for 1000 yds now for goodness sake)
Something fun
I've created a couple new cartridge designs off older ones, just for fun
This one for example,being the poor mans PPC, a shortened 22-250
I call it my 22 Scramjet
 

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isnt that what a 22-250 AI did way back when?
and when you do that, you usually go with your own spec'd out custom barrel anyhow
which ends up being a 1:8 twist if you want it to be

The 22 Creed is a SAAMI chambering, the 22-250 AI isn't. Obviously we can do whatever we want in the custom realm but for the 90% of shooters who don't reload, skipping all the custom work and having that performance available off the shelf is a big deal.
 
The 22 Creed is a SAAMI chambering, the 22-250 AI isn't. Obviously we can do whatever we want in the custom realm but for the 90% of shooters who don't reload, skipping all the custom work and having that performance available off the shelf is a big deal.
Good point, that is a big deal
some of us custom guys tend to forget that
I think most of us take it as a general rule everyone on this place reloads also
when that is obviousy not the case, so must be reminded
also must be reminded this is not a BENCHREST forum from time to time
 
And its purpose and usefulness is?
It allows this old curmudgeon to growl, groan and yell “Get off my lawn!”
“People that don’t reload”. Good grief! The unwashed! How can someone live thru a zombie apocalypse if they can’t reload? I saw the store shelves when that little Covid thing hit. What’s next is what scares me. I think I need more powder! :eek:
 
Just another unnecessary cartridge in a new shooting world with and abundance of unnecessary / redundant cartridges.

How in the world is a dealer supposed to stock the shelves with ammo with the massive prefoliation of "new" cartridges these days? Glad I began the sport in the 60's when things were simple.

I think about 6 to 7 proven legacy cartridges cover the entire spectrum of most shooting needs. The real key to success within reason, is not some new cartridges that promise to make a Daniel Boone out of an occasional shooter but learning how to shoot and on-going practice.
 
I bought my savage var mit rifle about 20 years ago. 1 in 9 twist. Shoots 69 smk very well. I shot a 2.25 in group the other in 5-10 mph wind. The height of the group was half inch. I’m not a great shot but for a factory gun at 600 yards I’m impressed. Edk
 
isnt that what a 22-250 AI did way back when?
and when you do that, you usually go with your own spec'd out custom barrel anyhow
which ends up being a 1:8 twist if you want it to be
Yeah, I dunno man, I would not own a 22 Creed unless someone gave it to me,
6.5 Creed Yes,
Maybe I'll neck up a 6.5 creed to a 7mm and call it a 7mm Scramjet
And see if the market bites huh?
New era of shooters wont know the difference
And to be clear please understand I’m not being argumentative. Just answering questions based upon my experience plus plenty of personal opinion. The original appeal of PO Ackley’s design was factory ammo could be fireformed in the improved chamber after the original barrel was set back to assure headspacing with a rimless cartridge. That’s how I built my 22-250AI. Of course going the new barrel route opens up options. What does a 22 Creed do that the 22-250 AI doesn’t? Production guns, factory ammo, no fireforming and standard loading dies versus expensive custom dies. Not hating on the 22-250 AI - like I said, I have one. But the 22 Creedmoor does make a lot of sense for some people. I suspect many of us are so weary of the 6.5 Creedmoor hype that anything bearing that name makes our stomach sour. Guilty as charged.
 
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And to be clear please understand I’m not being argumentative. Just answering questions based upon my experience plus plenty of personal opinion. The original appeal of PO Ackley’s design was factory ammo could be fireformed in the improved chamber after the original barrel was set back to assure headspacing with a rimless cartridge. That’s how I built my 22-250AI. Of course going the new barrel route opens up options. What does a 22 Creed do that the 22-250 AI doesn’t? Production guns, factory ammo, no fireforming and standard loading dies versus expensive custom dies. Not hating on the 22-250 AI - like I said, I have one. But the 22 Creedmoor does make a lot of sense for some people. I suspect many of us are so weary of the 6.5 Creeemoor hype that anything bearing that name makes our stomach sour. Guilty as charged.
I’ll dump my grouse and get serious:
Get it if you want it! Enjoy the journey of this fun hobby! Lord knows I’m too quick to buy a new gun in a new to me cartridge or build another rifle I don’t need. I have a new 30br hunting rifle in the works as I’m writing this along with some new stock builds in the shop. The other day, my wife asked me what gun my new stock build was for. I had to admit that I wasn’t sure.
 
So what's up with the 22 creed ?
I don't know where you're hanging out but in my world 22CM use is expanding rapidly. Not factory guns and ammo but full customs and pre-fit barrel swaps and hand loading. Factory brass is almost always available. Reamers are easy to come by and freebore numbers have been pretty much solidified. 8T for the 75-80's and 7.5T for the heavies like the 88. No one asks about 22-250AI's, it's "what about doing a 22CM?". There's two lined up here in the pipeline. It's a fun, easy to source parts and components for hot rod.
 
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