What to do with flyers, how to tune them out

[JCardenas]

Guys, what is the best was to iliminate a flyer. Should I play with the powder, seating depth, neck tension etc. this pe ofin bullet will put 4 into a tight group, .25 moa , but the all ways seems to be one that does no like to hang in there. Rifle is a long range br rig, so its beded. What would be the first thing to try.

Thanks

 

[jds holler]

I usually consider a flyer like that to be a flaw somewhere in my reloading process; generally a case issue. I am realistic about my skills and technique, and not committed to "perfection" for what I am doing right now.

If you sat and fired four or even six groups of your particular load, do you get the same flyer on each group? If you are shooting competition, you will certainly want to fix the problem. jd

 

[BoydAllen]

I would look at how the rifle is supported and shot (no contact or if contact, how much), and reexamine the bedding using a dial indicator. Also, I would switch scopes to see if that could be an issue.

 

[Jet]

Put a pasty over it and call it good. Just kidding. Once I get a tune for a particular rifle and I see flyers I almost always start diagnosing my gun handling/bench manners. This applies to whether you are shooting off a bench, prone using a bipod or rest or even using a tree limb for support. Make sure you are 100% consistent from shot to shot before putzing with other variables.

Good Shooting

Rich

 

[tbeasley]

Consistent bench technique and consistent handload sounds like where I'd look.

Inspect your cases..look at case mouths and inside the necks. If you have trimmed the cases and you have inserted a pilot to do this, make sure you didn't scar the insides.

Make sure your sizing the brass all the same. Same neck thickness/tension.

Measure your bullet ogive lengths and seperate them into common lots.

Last suggestion, try dropping your load .3-.5grains and see if that sucks your group together.

More info on what your shooting and bullet and powder would be a big help. Lots of us have pet loads and lots of times they interchange with very little effort of tweaking.

 

[LHSmith]

I'm guessing it's a factory action?

 

[Hydenseek]

Hold your phone closer for the picture so they cant be seen....

Problem Solved

 

[savagedasher]

Hold your phone closer for the picture so they cant be seen....

Problem Solved

Just don't shoot any works also . Larry

 

[JCardenas]

I have a NF 15x55 comp on the rifle and it's a bat action and by all accounts it beded correctly. The previous barrel shot really well. In this case it a brux, 1:8, .236 with less than n 300 rounds. It hammers with four bullets, but likes to leave one hanging out. By hammers I mean .5 at 300 for 4 shots and then that one. I was hoping it could be tuned out.

 

[tclaunch]

I'd seat the bullet another .001 to .002" further back.

 

[LHSmith]

IF it is always the last shot out.....FWIW it is a common occurrence in BR competition for the shooter to tend to become nervous about the urgency to preserve a good group and rush the last shot by jerking the trigger. I would shoot 5 shots at 5 different targets, then overlay the results and see if that makes a difference.
It would help to know in what direction that flyer tends to go.

 

[AWLEAPHART]

A few guys I have shot with in the pass had the same problem. There problem was a quick fix.
Turn your scope elevation up an 1". Then aim at your bullseye and give it a try. It sounds crazy but what was happening with them was once they had two shots on paper they had cut there bullseye out and was just aiming at the hole.
Anthony L

 

[wholman]

I fixed my flyers with one shot groups.
They go in same whole every time now.

 

[Mickey D]

I fixed my flyers with one shot groups.
They go in same whole every time now.

While working up a load for my 270 Wby I settled on a load which shot great.
I cleaned the bbl and proceed to shoot a 5 shot group. The first 4 went in a rough one hole. The fifth shot was the with of the bullet off. The cause was I was in a hurry to finish and send a pic to my SIL
To show him what a great shot I am.
The reason for the Miss was that I hadn't used the bubble level on my scope.
So the flyer was me in a hurry and not following my standard operating procedure.
It's the little things which separate the good from the great.

 

[Webster]

I have a NF 15x55 comp on the rifle and it's a bat action and by all accounts it beded correctly. The previous barrel shot really well. In this case it a brux, 1:8, .236 with less than n 300 rounds. It hammers with four bullets, but likes to leave one hanging out. By hammers I mean .5 at 300 for 4 shots and then that one. I was hoping it could be tuned out.

4 in 1 out. The pattern would indicate to me it's shooting technique. I know the pattern well. It's usually the 4 th or 5th. shot. I don't flinch so I can see how the cross hair moves across the bull as the gun goes off. I have terrible trigger pull. If the gun goes off as a surprise there is hardly ever a flyer. If I shoot my 22RF with a 6 lb. trigger then go to my 6BR varmint rifle with a 2 lb. trigger it feels like a 2 oz. trigger. I try to use wind flags that other guys set up. I am constantly trying to analyze my bench methods for improvement. It isn't easy but I don't shoot competition.