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What Stops a Large Bear close-up?

Again many thanks for all the responses and interesting information. SBS and Effendude's views amongst others accord with what I've always thought of as 'big bear calibres' from reading years and years' worth of Gun Digest annuals with articles on Winchester 71s rebuilt for 450 Alaskan and suchlike. But ... of course reading about something is very different from being there and walking the walk! I'm not too sorry we don't have anything like a polar bear of grizzly here, to be honest.

(When I was at Raton last year for the FCWC meeting, nearly everybody in the GB teams hoped to see a bear in NM. Not me - I hoped to see a rattlesnake and maybe an elk. Anyway we were all disappointed bar Stuart Anselm, the FTR team captain who took a trip up the Interstate to do some shopping in Trinidad CO. All of a sudden, everybody ahead of him braked / swerved. looked like an accident, but it was a bear that had wandered onto the road and was standing there looking lost for a minute or two until it leapt the barriers and headed back for the hills! I was taken with your pronghorns though.)

Outrider 27 and somebody else who mentioned trip-wires and flares are spot-on though. The organisers / team leader failed in their duty of care. Despite a score of 3 ex 3 on seriousness of risk, and a score of 2 ex 3 on the likelihood aspect, the trip wire used was a lash-up and unreliable, there were insufficient numbers of flares issued, and the team leader had failed to familiarise himself fully with the rented rifle. Even if the rifkle had worked straight off, the victim would have been at best seriously injured as the bear got into the camp undetected and grabbed the poor boy by the head before anybody woke up.

The reason I put the post up was my being piqued by the official Norwegian line that implies a high-power rifle of 308 or 30-06 calibre is sufficient as a last resort defence. Reading about polars made me think that while a .30-06 would certainly be better than throwing rocks, I'd rather have something that made bigger holes in an animal that size.
 
It's really not the size of the hole Laurie, but rather that bullet hitting the boiler room.

If you'll run a search for this guy, he has a service in Maine and Canada. He has probably killed more bears than all of us together will ever see.

Wayne Bosowicz.

I believe the company is Foggy Mountain…something or other.
 
I just read a article about a woman who was able to stop a bear attack with a small Beretta .380 while she was hiking.

As the bear started its attack just one shot to her estranged husband's knee cap was all it took.
 
A few years ago I went to visit a friend who lived on Admiralty Island in Alaska. Two things he NEVER left the house with, his 45-70 and his German Shepard dog. I firmly believe many surprise bear attacks would not happen if your dog was on the trail with you, in camp with you or at your side while you skin a moose.
If your in bear country, take a dog with you.
 
Most of the guides that I have hunted with in Alaska carry the .338 Win. Mag. The Canadians in the Yukon and the NWT seem to be evenly divided between the .338 Win. Mag. and the 30 cal. magnums. I switched from the .338 Win. Mag. to the .338 RUM, and have used both successfully. I know a number of Inuit guides in the NWT that prefer 12 Gauge pump guns with slugs for Bear problems in their camps. When a Grizzly is staring you in the eye at 40 yards ,you will wish you had a .458 Win. Mag. with express sights!
 
Another pretty important piece is recoil. Some of the cartridges listed here have a severe amount of recoil. I fired a 450 Alaskan a few times. It's enough to jar the fillings out of your teeth.
 
allenn said:
A few years ago I went to visit a friend who lived on Admiralty Island in Alaska. Two things he NEVER left the house with, his 45-70 and his German Shepard dog. I firmly believe many surprise bear attacks would not happen if your dog was on the trail with you, in camp with you or at your side while you skin a moose.
If your in bear country, take a dog with you.
you should have a dog leashed otherwise it may rile the bear and the dog may lead the bear to you.
 
raythemanroe said:
butchlambert said:
A close buddy that I have known just over 40years has guided and gold mined in Alaska longer than most of you have been around. He had a grizzly on the roof of his cabin on his gold mine. Wife, retired US Fed Game person asked him to use pepper bear spray. Bear almost shoved it up his azz. His 338m Win. mag did the job.

Ya, when a bear that large starts charging pepper spray just doesn't have the knock down power.


Ray
There is a big difference between pepper spray and bear spray. When you are in the Canadian Rockies, you are not allowed to carry firearms; you buy bear spray in town before heading out. While hiking, you are advised to make a lot of noise. We were backpacking for 2 weeks in the Rockies and although we saw bear tracks and scat and wolf tracks, we did not see any animals other than woodland caribou at a distance across the lake at the foot of the Ramparts mountains. The most troublesome wildlife were the clouds of mosquitoes :)
 

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