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What steel alloy for barrels?

From PS mag. Feb. '05 issue titled "Heat Checking In Rifle Bores" by Fred Barker;some items of interest:
1/ CM has the advantage of heat conductivity about 70% > than 416, but is partly offset by 416 having thermal expansion coefficients ~ 25% less
2/ Quote " to my knowledge we don't have any quantitative results on the bbl. life (and hence resistance to heat checking)of 416 vs. CM. When 416 was first used.....it was hoped bbl life would be longer, but PO Ackley and others saw little difference
3/ ....."powder burns ~5,000-5,500'F for about a millisecond, and the metal at the bore surface in the throat region is heated about that hot only to a shallow depth ~0.0001"....the surface of the bores throat is thinly nitrided by the N in the powder gas, giving a brittle coating that behaves differently than the underlying steel."
4/ " The most important factor in heat checking...remains the temp difference between the very thin skin of hot steel and iron nitride at the surface and the underlying steel substrate"......this gradient causes the surface to expand (on firing) or contract (on cooling) relative to the substate and give the thermal stresses that lead to cracking "
Of note, the author advised against running coolant down the bore, and to keep the bbl warm when doing extended firing, and cool the barrel once it becomes too hot to touch....but only to the point where it can be handled....all this in attempt to reduce drastic temp. cycles which induce cracking.
 
butchlambert said:
Shortgrass,
I'll have to differ with you on throat erosion and if you care for your barrels, corrosion is not a problem. My experience shows no difference between the 2 as accurate shooters. I have heard these things said, but no actual proof of this.
Point well taken. I too, observe no difference in accuracy between SS. and CM barrels (could be 'cause I'm a lousy shot!). This thread continues to be "a thread about nothing". (Didn't Jerry Seinfeld have a TV show like that?) Many more shooters don't provide proper care for a barrel, than do.
 
Thank you for posting something informative, LH. I am sorry to offend the rest of you guys with a technical question. Did you see what Kim Kardashian did yesterday? OMG!!
 
ScottMc said:
Thank you for posting something informative, LH. I am sorry to offend the rest of you guys with a technical question. Did you see what Kim Kardashian did yesterday? OMG!!

Who is he? I don't think that I have shot with him.
 
ScottMc said:
Most custom barrels are stainless right? Stainless machines better and I heard holds up to throat erosion better, but stainless has a very low thermal conductivity number. It seems to me that with rapid firing, heat will not spread away from the throat area as fast with stainless, maybe resulting in more throat damage. How well does 4340 chro moly work?

My experience: 0,2% carbon + 13% chrom and a strength of 750 - 850 N/mm² works well for barrels and is good to machine.
I think US Norm AISI 420 will fit this configuration.
 
I can understand that the custom barrel industry has focused on certain steels that perform well enough for their intended use. Practical reasons (supply, machinability, familiarity, demand, etc.) become important once you are in the ballpark with the choice of steel. Paying more (maybe much more) for a theoretical marginal improvement with a 'different' steel is not for everybody. Between mainstream SS and CM for barrels, if it was not for the need for bluing CM I humbly submit that we would be seeing much more of it on the line.
 
Was it Kreiger that used either 410 or 420 for a while for cold weather stainless? It was to allow them to use smaller contours than they now use with their 416.
 
It's not like those, who make these custom tubes, haven't done their research into the appropriate steels to use. Besides the monetary issues, they pay liability insurance premiums, too. So, for me, trying to debate whether this grade of steel might be better than another is a nonstarter, a moot point. It's not like barrel makers don't think. He!!, I'd say they've thought about it a lot! I'm done.
 

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