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What moa base for a CZ 457 …

What base ring combo would fit the following rifle scope combination best?

1. rifle -CZ 457 Pro Varminter trainer with the Manners chasis that does NOT have a cheek riser
2. scope -Athlon Helos 4-20x, 50mm odjecive with 30mm tube. 18miles of vertical adjustment

I would like to know what moa base and ring height would work best for the above combination without adding a cheek riser while maximizing the distance potential.

thank-you in advance for your input.
 
I’ve been using the 419 base. I’ve had EGWs in the last which were good but used grub screws, the 419 attaches wide side screws, it’s a quality mount but a bit pricey. You can also get in 15moa, 30moa or 50moa. The link below will link it.

 

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thanks much!
Can you tell m what moa you have and what your zero is set at and how much distance you can dial without using hold over?
 
I use a Bscar 25moa rail, Athlon Argos. I can dial to 300yds from a 50 yard zero, not any farther(can't dial to 300 meters).

I tried the Area 419 rail, and while very nice, it sat way higher than either the egw or the Bscar. This may be an issue for you since you don't have a cheek riser.

The Bscar uses the holes already drilled in the receiver for attachment. Perfect fit, no issues.

Still waiting on pictures.....

Dave
 
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45moa base from triggers by scar. Really nicely made and very well priced. I have one with a vortex venom and can reach out to 450yds by dialling and using the reticle.
 
I don’t want to have to add a cheek riser to mount this scope and am concerned a moa base will tilt the eye side of the scope higher than my cheek will comfortably rest?
many thoughts?
 

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I use a Bscar 25moa rail, Athlon Argos. I can dial to 300yds from a 50 yard zero, not any farther(can't dial to 300 meters).

I tried the Area 419 rail, and while very nice, it sat way higher than either the egw or the Bscar. This may be an issue for you since you don't have a cheek riser.

The Bscar uses the holes already drilled in the receiver for attachment. Perfect fit, no issues.

Still waiting on pictures.....

Dave
Hi Dave! So here is what I’m dealing with. Will the scar moa base require mid or high rings and if I used the taller scar or 419 base I believe I can use .9 low Vortex prescision rings and still keep the 50mm objective from touching the barrel while not having to add a cheek pad?
Any thoughts?
 

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Hi Dave! So here is what I’m dealing with. Will the scar moa base require mid or high rings and if I used the taller scar or 419 base I believe I can use .9 low Vortex prescision rings and still keep the 50mm objective from touching the barrel while not having to add a cheek pad?
Any thoughts?
I used Warne mediums. On the Warne website they have detailed specs.

I'm tied up this morning, but I'll get a few pics and measurements off mine this afternoon.

Dave
 
As promised, with apologies to all the real photographers on the site, a few pictures of my CZ 457 Varmint (was an AT-One, now in a KRG Bravo).

The objective bell clearance is 3/16 inch. Close enough that I cut out the bottom of the lenses cap because it was barely touching.

With the AT-One I had to raise the cheek piece up almost to the limit, to the point it felt wobbly. With the Bravo, I'm up 3/8 inch. Different geometry; I have to drop the cheek piece to remove the bolt, and remove it to clean.

So all info is in one place:
CZ 457 Varmint
Athlon Argos 6-24 x 50 BTR
Bscar 25moa extended rail
Warne medium rings

Hope this helps

Dave
 

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Hey Dave thanks for all the great info. Sounds and looks like you put some time and money into getting it right. Looks great!!! What ammo does he’s like?
Thats surprising to me that the 25 bscar base and med rings brought the ocular side of the scope so high with the Cz chassis.
I see that bscar makes a high or taller base for the bigger scopes like the 34 and up.

Sooooooo … can I ask you another question without annoying you as you’ve been very gracious with your time.

Do you believe that I can find a moa base … any moa base, that would allow me to use the combo below WITHOUT adding a cheek pad/riser?

Thanks Dan!
 
Dan,

With the disclaimer that everyone's body geometry and preferred cheek weld are different, I think it will difficult to use a canted rail (since they increase height at the rear. Scar has measurements for each rail on his site) without some kind of raised comb.i suppose you could go with a smaller objective scope, and use lower rings, but I know I wouldn't like the trade offs.

The increased height rail is new, I would reiterate the above. Note I have plenty of clearance for the bolt handle, although it's a little difficult to see with my crappy photography. That's a much larger, aftermarket bolt knob, so it looks closer than it is.

Best ammo depends. I've shot my best groups @50yds with SK Rifle Match, but that was just one lot, others not as good. Center-x, SK Pistol Match, and SK Std+ are all very consistent, low .3s, high .2s, with the occasional high .1. I just buy what I can find, a buddy also has a 457 (still in the AT-One stock), so we trade off. So far we haven't had any of the decent ammo not shoot in at least one of our guns.

Longer range, SK Long Range Match, SK Pistol Match, and esp. one lot of Midas from before these crazy times has been the best. I don't shoot groups as often at 200+, mostly just dial and bang steel. A 1 incher @ 100 gets boring (even with my 10/22); @ 200 I hang a 3, 2, and 1 incher. The 3 is fairly easy if no wind (or consistent), and the 1 is tough.
@300 same thing but with a 6, 4, and 2.

Note, I'm at altitude (approximately 5500 ft, and very dry).

All for fun, and talking s*** to the centerfire guys who can't imagine a .22 shooting that far.

Our range goes out to 500 meters, so I'm seriously considering going with a bigger rail, and a scope with more internal travel.

Kind of rambling, hope you find something useful.

As always, feel free to ask anything. Like I tell my grandkids, if I don't know the answer, I'll make something up.

Dave
 
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Just my setup for the 457……..BSCAR 30 moa rail, Burris Signature rings on a G.E. 10 X 60 with straight crosshairs. As it currently sits, 300 yds is my limit. If I played around with the ring inserts I could probably gain more yardage.
 
Dan,

Quick update. I went over to the Bscar site when we were discussing the extra height rails. Decided to pick up a (normal height) 45moa extended rail. Should have it in a couple of days. I'll update this then.....

Dave
 
Thanks for Dave. That will give you the extra length or yardage distance without having to use any hood over … correct!?

I think my choices are limited to what your description encompassed; which is using the taller 419 or the bigger or taller Bscar moa rail with the lower .9 rings that I have and will still most likely will need a cheek riser?

Keep me posted if you won’t mind?
 
I'm not sure exactly how far I'll be able to dial. I can do 300yds as it is, but barely. Hopefully I'll gain the full additional 20moa, but it's seldom that simple.

There's established steel hangers on my range in meters. Currently I can dial 300yds, but not 300m. Plus it should keep me closer to the center of the scope, better clarity etc.

It will be interesting to see how much 'down' I'll have left with a 50yd zero.

Next step (maybe soon) a 34mm scope for the increased travel.

Dave
 

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