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What distance to measure velocity

Ajwilly96

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I recently purchased my first Labradar, I got what I thought was a pretty good deal on it for a used unit. With that being said I have used a traditional chronograph and a magneto speed in the past

With the ability to measure velocity’s out to 100 yards what distance should I be taking my velocities at for load development?
 
Set it up even with the muzzle, and use the extra setting distances out to 100 yards. I set mine for muzzle, 50, 90, 100 and 200. The muzzle velocity is what you'll use for load development ... farther distances are used to true actual Ballistic Coefficient.
That is awesome, I didn’t realize you could take multiple readings on one shot!
 
I just got back from the range with my lab radar testing a load you can put the sd card in your computer when you get home and open it up in office and see all kinds of info
one suggestion If you don't already have one get the usb battery pack
It will go through aa batteries like wild the battery pack will last through multiple range sessions
 
I just got back from the range with my lab radar testing a load you can put the sd card in your computer when you get home and open it up in office and see all kinds of info
one suggestion If you don't already have one get the usb battery pack
It will go through aa batteries like wild the battery pack will last through multiple range sessions
The used package I got comes with a tripod and battery pack! Need to work on building an external trigger haha
 
I believe the factory preset distances for readings are 11, 22, 33, 44, and 55 yd. Muzzle velocity (0 yd) is then back-calculated from those readings. I left mine on the factory presets and it seems to work just fine. However, it is very finicky with .224" bullets and must be aligned "just so" to get solid readings. Even then, it won't always pick up the 55 yd, and sometimes even the 44 yd reading. Increasing the distance(s) for readings may make it harder for the unit to reliably detect small/lightweight bullets such as .224" caliber.
 
Any reading besides the muzzle velocity that appears on the screen should be disregarded. Any of the downrange measurements it gives you should not be used for anything serious. This is per Bryan Litz.
 
I greatly respect Byran's educational background, shooting skills, and considerable contributions to the shooting sports. As such, I'm not going to get involved in any debate or argument over statements he may have made. I can only report what I have personally found through testing.

What is not debatable is that the muzzle velocity that appears on the LabRadar screen after each shot is actually calculated using the velocity data recorded over distance by the radar beam. If the individual distance/velocity values as listed by the unit are so poor/unreliable as to be completely disregarded, I can't imagine how a muzzle velocity that is calculated using data over distance would somehow provide all that much greater confidence level. Yet it clearly does. Perhaps the difference lies in the method used to calculate V0 from velocity/distance. Frankly, most of us place little weight even on a single velocity determination as shown on the front of the LabRadar unit. Rather, we typically place greater reliance on an average velocity and the resultant statistical ES/SD values from a string of fire.

In any event, I've been using LabRadar velocity drop data for years to estimate bullet BCs. I am fully aware of the caveat that the distance/velocity values provided by the LabRadar are measured over sub-optimal (i.e. short) distances. Regardless, this approach generally yields estimated BC values that are very close, if not identical to, the BC values provided by Berger for [un-pointed] bullets. Moreover, BCs estimated for pointed bullets are fully consistent with the expected 4-6% increase generated by the pointing process. Nonetheless, everyone must decide for themselves how much credibility they place in such data. I personally find it quite useful for comparative purposes.

There are caveats associated with almost any of the tools we routinely use in the reloading process. The key is knowing what these caveats are, how they might affect one's interpretation of the results, and then making an informed decision as to how and when a particular test result might be of use. Making such an informed decision typically requires a certain level of experience with a particular piece of equipment and a fair amount of testing/experimentation. As noted, I don't use estimated BCs for anything important, not really. They're intended more for my own edification and enjoyment, and I do it largely because I can. Because of the caveat of sub-optimal distance, I don't believe BCs estimated from LabRadar velocity drop data are necessarily written in stone, even though in my hands they also match up very well in terms of comparing predicted versus actual drops out to much longer distances using ballistic calculators. However, I do believe BCs estimated for two or more different bullets, tested side-by-side on the same day are completely suitable as a means of direct comparison. Regardless, everyone is free to decide for themselves how much confidence they place on whatever data they generate.
 
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The direct answer the the original question is “at the muzzle”.

As for the down range velocity, there’s a difference between trusting the velocity data and trusting it enough to calculate a BC. I can’t think of a good reason to care what the velocity at 50 yards down range is, other than calculating BCs. But there may be applications where the precision to the time and distance measurements of the LabRadar are perfectly acceptable. Maybe if you’re interested in energy at short range. I’m sure it’s plenty good for that.

I’ve tried to use it to measure BCs, and my experience is that it doesn’t do a very good job. It works. But not consistently or with enough precision for my needs. I knew that ahead of time, but sometimes you just have to try it yourself. The number printed on the box is probably the best you’ll find.
 
Make sure your external pack only has a max output of 5volts and 2.1 amps. Alot of newer juice packs switch between 5/9and 12 volts at higher amp output. Heard stories of these juice packs frying units.
 
Make sure your external pack only has a max output of 5volts and 2.1 amps. Alot of newer juice packs switch between 5/9and 12 volts at higher amp output. Heard stories of these juice packs frying units.
Anything at 5v that can provide enough current for the unit should work. It won’t push more current than needed into the LabRadar. What you don’t want is more than 5v.
 
LabRadar reports will give you velocities at 0, 10, 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards for each shot. It also provides highest, lowest, and average velocities.
This. But the smaller caliber bullets get harder to pick up past 70-80 in my experience.
 
I had a aluminum box built. 4" wide by 12' square. mounted my lab radar on the top. Set in the window of my shooting house and stick the muzzle thru the box. Use the external trigger. Works every time and gives good results. Had a hard time getting it to trigger, placing it besides the muzzle, especially with small bullets (.224) I believe Eric Cortina has a 4 legged stand he places his lab radar on and shoots thru it on the ground.
 
Any reading besides the muzzle velocity that appears on the screen should be disregarded. Any of the downrange measurements it gives you should not be used for anything serious. This is per Bryan Litz.
loll bryan does not shoot benchrest, he is smart, but a large target mil target shooter...do not get confused
 
loll bryan does not shoot benchrest, he is smart, but a large target mil target shooter...do not get confused
you realize he is a master ballistician (with a degree aerospace engineering) with a high level of experience with doppler radars tracking projectiles. The giant one he uses (to compile true BC’s) is the same company that makes the lab radar (infinition).

He also has compiled hundreds of true BC’s as well as custom drag models of most of the popular bullets out there. This is available in book form or through the applied ballistics integrated apps.

The OP asked what he should be looking at for load development and was wondering about trying to track downrange velocities. Anyone who owns a labradar knows that getting consistent downrange tracks is usually a crapshoot. And the idea of putting a high degree of confidence into those downrange numbers is probably unwise.
 
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I have used my Labradar for a few years. What has worked best for me:

Hard case to store/transport
Battery pack (as mentioned)
Small 3" or 4" tripod to mount to the LR
Sight on top ( got mine from MK Machining)

Trigger from JKL with the magnetic mount

I have the APP for my phone, but it disconnects a few times each range session, so I don't always use it.

I place the Labradar about at the middle of my rifle. Muzzle blast can't hit the unit, you can reach the controls easily, and I get a reading every time (unless I forget to arm it LOL)
 

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you realize he is a master ballistician (with a degree aerospace engineering) with a high level of experience with doppler radars tracking projectiles. The giant one he uses (to compile true BC’s) is the same company that makes the lab radar (infinition).

He also has compiled hundreds of true BC’s as well as custom drag models of most of the popular bullets out there. This is available in book form or through the applied ballistics integrated apps.

The OP asked what he should be looking at for load development and was wondering about trying to track downrange velocities. Anyone who owns a labradar knows that getting consistent downrange tracks is usually a crapshoot. And the idea of putting a high degree of confidence into those downrange numbers is probably unwise.
i stand by my comments
 

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