Well it’s been a week since SWN

[mgunderson]

Well considering our closet 1k ranges is shut down come October doesn’t open up until the end of May pretty hard to get this practice in. Everyone is chasing the ballistic advantage look at they latest 7mm that come out 7 max, 7 lbb, 7 fcp all of them are pushing that 180 well past 2900. Will the prcw do it sure but you will get clickers and not so great case life.

Maybe a 22lr at 200 yards will drive more focus on the wind.

 

[323]

Only reason not to run a 300 wsm imo is if you cant handle the recoil. You have to be honest with your self. You do need to drive them more than a lighter recoiling gun.

If I build one was looking at using 220 Berger pushing them around 2850. Also going to use Manson specs only changing freebore from .225 to .230 freebore. JGS will be doing the reamer for me.

 

[323]

Maybe a 22lr at 200 yards will drive more focus on the wind.

We shoot long gong and lr silhouette all summer as well up here. 22lr start acting wonky when temps drop below 30 degrees.

 

[Mike Samer]

We shoot long gong and lr silhouette all summer as well up here. 22lr start acting wonky when temps drop below 30 degrees.

A local Palma shooter told me he uses a .300 Blackout with 125 gr. bullet at 500 yards to mimick a 155s wind drift at 1000. You might be able to generate a reduced load for winter F-Open practice if you have access for 500 yards.

 

[323]

A local Palma shooter told me he uses a .300 Blackout with 125 gr. bullet at 500 yards to mimick a 155s wind drift at 1000. You might be able to generate a reduced load for winter F-Open practice if you have access for 500 yards.

Mike,

Only range we have access to in the winter has ia 300yd range and it has berms all the way down so wind is minimal. I just need to retire and snowbird to Arizona shoot with you guys all winter.

 

[jpjulian]

Shoot a .223 with 80 SMK's at 600 in the wind. You can be humbled, or, you can learn a lesson. And a switching wind from 11-1:00 isn't fun for anyone.

 

[323]

Shoot a .223 with 80 SMK's at 600 in the wind. You can be humbled, or, you can learn a lesson. And a switching wind from 11-1:00 isn't fun for anyone.

I shoot service rifle so understand missed wind calls.

 

[davidjoe]

You can miss-read the wind with a 300 WSM shooting 215's just as easily as a 7MM shooting 180 hybrids. Get better at reading the wind with what you have. Bigger won't save you.

Yep. There is a point of capitulation where a guy realizes that sometimes holding in the white, correctly, is not actually harder to learn than it is to try to make finicky, ultra-high BC loads shoot consistently, all the time. The thought of holding in the white has unnerved me since I took a 6BR to my first long range match.

Both are hard to pull off, but from what I understand Ryan has been doing, since before winning Lodi, and now SWN, -mastering both may be necessary to win. I’ve seen very little on it, but wasn’t his cartridge the largest 7? That was my impression after Lodi, and I’m just assuming he didn’t decide to downsize after winning nationals.

Let’s suppose for a moment that he is shooting 180H bullets from the most potent cartridge on the line, and is either the only one, or is one of a couple. No one is going to criticize that bullet choice, so that leaves the cartridge as his equipment difference.

His two wins in windy, national matches, with a cartridge that is capable of shooting the accepted bullet of choice, faster, against all of the fiercest wind readers, many of whom have been at this for a long time can’t be overlooked.

It’s an epic feat he’s pulled off. If he was simply a better wind reader who could out score the best in the field with a smaller gun and heroic wind calls, then we’d be obliged to acknowledge a better head for this game and leave it at that.

But he’s doing it with a bigger gun, and they don’t shoot smaller, they never have, and they demand more of you (physics). If there wasn’t a penalty for using them, then short range and midrange would not be dominated by small cases.

He’s winning with a gun that is literally at a disadvantage, which he must work incredibly hard to overcome, and he’s done it, probably in a vacuum of experience sharing, WHILE mastering wind. Good bullets don’t have one, favorite speed, or an affinity for any one cartridge.

 

[Acyr]

The FTR winner was only 4 points behind the F Open winner. Huge difference in velocity/BC but still hanging right there with the boomers. Learn to read the wind.

 

[davidjoe]

The FTR winner was only 4 points behind the F Open winner. Huge difference in velocity/BC but still hanging right there with the boomers. Learn to read the wind.

If I remember correctly, you’ve tied Open at the big match, - or been just short. Matches like that win of yours that I’m thinking of do challenge several of Open’s tenets.

 

[Acyr]

If I remember correctly, you’ve tied Open at the big match, - or been just short. Matches like that win of yours that I’m thinking of do challenge several of Open’s tenets.

No, I can't take credit for that. I am sure there are better shooters out there that have. That was a nasty windy Nationals though LOL.

 

[323]

The FTR winner was only 4 points behind the F Open winner. Huge difference in velocity/BC but still hanging right there with the boomers. Learn to read the wind.

Yes sensei wax on wax off