Sniperhandle
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Why Then did Ruger make a Target action based on the the M-77 and they ditched the angled lug for a straight one.
Well, I guess this Mauser isn't getting a new barrel
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Sniperhandle
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Sniperhandle
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They also had to modify their triggers to be adjustable, Cuz they really aren't that great.
Ledd Slinger
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Most likely due to ease if manufacturing and maybe because they couldn't get a single shot tray to work with the angled screw. Or maybe it was because the angled screw didn't make sense with the absence of a magazine floor plate. However, the Palma single shot actions didn't shoot nearly as accurately as the original design with the angled recoil lug and magazine. They only made 20 of those rifles and they were a flop according to the Palma team they were produced for. But that also could have been due to poor barrel manufacturing on those rifles as well. Either way, they never made them again as far as I know.
The old M77 tang trigger is fully adjustable and a far cry better than anything that comes on a Mauser. The later M77 MKII triggers were pretty bad tho and I've never shot a newer Hawkeye version.
Can argue and troll me all day about it, but it's pretty pointless. The fact is the Ruger M77 Tang was superior to the original Mauser design in many ways
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Ledd Slinger
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But Mauser started it all with that style of design so I gotta give credit where credit is due.
Remington produced a great action with the 700 as well, but many companies have now greatly improved upon that original design in various ways. Evolution of technology design is a good thing.
I think the best design blend of a Mauser style and Rem 700 style lies in the Howa 1500 actions. One possible downside I see with Howa is the weight. They are tanks!
Remington produced a great action with the 700 as well, but many companies have now greatly improved upon that original design in various ways. Evolution of technology design is a good thing.
I think the best design blend of a Mauser style and Rem 700 style lies in the Howa 1500 actions. One possible downside I see with Howa is the weight. They are tanks!
Metric too aren't they
Ledd Slinger
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Yeah. Some smiths don't like changing out their gears. But most modern lathes make the swap pretty painless. Nothing about being metric threads makes it a lesser design.
Jonnyofalltrades
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Well, for lots of us, our rifles are enmeshed with our emotions and aspirations. You can tell me that the Howa(Rem 700, Ruger 77, insert action of choice) is better than a Mauser all day. But when you grew up drooling over Gun Digest centerfolds by Jerry Fisher or Sterling Davenport, it warps you. When you read stories of Harry Selby with his .416 Rigby "Skitini", it warps you.
Have pity on people with warpage, and don't trash talk our babies too badly, please.
You probably have been exposed to some of the less than stellar examples of Mauserdom out there. They outnumber the good examples two to one.
Have pity on people with warpage, and don't trash talk our babies too badly, please.
You probably have been exposed to some of the less than stellar examples of Mauserdom out there. They outnumber the good examples two to one.
Sniperhandle
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Mauser is not Metric, It is 12 Threads per inch.
Ruger actually milled off the angled lug and then dovetailed the receiver to accept the new straight lug, Look at the pics closely.
Sniperhandle
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I'm sorry you thought I was trolling you, That was not my intention. You took a Mauser thread and turned it into a Ruger thread, I'm not so sure you know all that much about either of them.
I will have to agree with you about Japanese Tasco's though, They are excellent!
Sniperhandle
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This "Sako" Adjustable Trigger came from the factory on "FN Supreme" Model 98 Mauser actions. Same trigger that came on Early Sako's such as the L61R.
Ledd Slinger
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My main point was to the OP that if I were him, I would not risk the liability of touching an old Mauser that has been modified in any way.
Second point was that there are other safer and cheaper options out there if a person wants a classic looking Mauser style rifle that functions like a more modern firearm.
Second point was that there are other safer and cheaper options out there if a person wants a classic looking Mauser style rifle that functions like a more modern firearm.
Sniperhandle
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Even to this day, There are very, very High end Mausers being built on WW2 era Mauser actions such as "BRNO" Actions and others from that era that were of high integrity being built into African Safari Rifles shooting Cartridges such as .505 Gibbs, 458 Lott, 458 Winchester Etc.
Here is a modern build in .500 Jeffery, There is no liability when a Gunsmith checks these old warhorses.
Here is a modern build in .500 Jeffery, There is no liability when a Gunsmith checks these old warhorses.
Probably an attempt to quiet the high pitched whining one often hears from gunsmiths and stockers, about the angled screw.
Some good friends of mine, the late Forslund brothers (Bob and Albert) of Cherryville, BC, really liked the angled screw concept, so much so, when they built their own actions, they incorporated an angled guard screw. I have always thought it was a good concept. I have a 77, with a soldered-in solid bottom, which works very well. It is fitted with a Canjar L-P trigger.
The only real Mauser features on the Ruger 77 are the two lugs and the long extractor. Apart from that, the Ruger were unique in many respects. The angled screw, the integral scope bases, the spring cushioned bolt stop (another very clever feature) The striker is pure Remington. The trigger is a turkey! WH
Ledd Slinger
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Well have at it bub! Nobody is saying you can't do it. Enjoy your old junker Mausers until your heart is content. No skin off my back. But you'll never change my mind into thinking they are better or even equal to more modern action designs. Simple fact is, they are not and never will be.
It's like a man trying to identify as a woman. I'll never buy it no matter what those people say.
DShortt
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You and a fellow who sells prefits on this forum share a personality trait.
Sheesh.
My "metric" reference was to the Howa
Sniperhandle
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