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Weird color while annealing

Everyone has an opinion and mine is just that. That caveat said however I think that ‘dezincification while annealing‘ is what you are seeing. I also think the brass got too hot while annealing which is what led to what you are seeing. There are many FAR more knowledgeable than I on this forum (you are probably one of those folks) however your annealed cases look pretty dark on the case necks…
 
I just came across these few pieces of Lapua brass that took on a strange color after annealing. They are from the same lot, and have been run the exact same way as all the others, yet they take on that strange copper color. Can anyone explain? Thanks.
If it was dezincification due to heat you would see it on the shoulder. Strange your cases don't have it on the shoulder but just below the shoulder on the body? For several years I have been looking up articles on dezincifiction during annealing. All the articles I can find are dezincification in chemical solutions. Almost impossible to find a good scientific article. I ignore personal opinions. Amps on their website says it doesn't happen. I have never seen pink anywhere on a case after annealing with a torch for many years. I have intentionally over heated several cases to check for loss of hardness. Some people say that if you leave it in a flame to long you will see a yellow color in the flame. It isn't zinc burning off. I have a good article somewhere explaining the yellow color. Have you cleaned the neck/shoulder area with steel wool and then wipe with alcohol and see if it goes away. Did the cases ever have case lube on them. What brand? Try another type lube. I use a light vis petroleumm oil. If dezincification due to heat was occuring it would happen to all of the cases. Slight variation in alloy composition should have no practical variation in properties of the brass.
 
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If it was dezincification due to heat you would see it on the shoulder. Strange your cases don't have it on the shoulder but just below the shoulder on the body? It doesn't get hot just below the neck. For several years I have been looking up articles on dezincifiction during annealing. All the articles I can find are dezincification in chemical solutions. Almost impossible to find a good scientific article. I ignore personal opinions. Amps on their website says it doesn't happen. I have never seen pink anywhere on a case after annealing with a torch for many years. I have intentionally over heated several cases to check for loss of hardness. Some people say that if you leave it in a flame to long you will see a yellow color in the flame. It isn't zinc burning off. I have a good article somewhere explaining the yellow color. Have you cleaned the neck/shoulder area with steel wool and then wipe with alcohol and see if it goes away. Did the cases ever have case lube on them. What brand? Try another type lube. I use a light vis petroleumm oil. If dezincification due to heat was occuring it would happen to all of the cases. Slight variation in alloy composition should have no practical variation in properties of the brass.
All the cases were straight from being fired. They were not tumble cleaned yet, and none of them had any kind of lube on them yet.
 
Judging from your picture it seems to be only on a few cases. I wouldn't use these until someone can give you a definite answer JMO
 
The question is will the zinc being bleached out weaken the brass, or somehow else affect its strength or mallability?
You have not proved that zinc was removed. Repliers are quessing. Even if there was Zn loss which I doubt how much would you loose in a couple seconds at temperature. You cannot melt the zinc at the melting temp of zinc it melts at the melting temp of cartridge brass. It's a homogenous solution without any secondary phase groups floating around.

It might be interesting to clean a couple discolored cases very clean and re-anneal them to see if the color reappears. It seems impossible to me you would have Zn loss or pink coloration on some from the same box and not others. The cases in the box should be identical. I still think it is likley it's some chemical residue. You need to clean them and re-anneal to help decide if it's Zn loss or chemicals on the surface. Were they sized with lube before annealing? I would clean them up and shoot them with a reasonable load.

Someone mentioned on this website that one of the case manufacturers chemicaly passivated the cases so they wouldn't tarnish. You can buy a box of ammo or cases that's 10 years old and the cases have very little tarnish. It's called a passivation treatment. They don't want you to open a box of ammo and have it looking dark and crudy. You can look up how the acid reacts with the brass and creates a microscopic film barrier containing copper. I have a gallon can of 223 range pickups I tumbled 5 years ago in Lemi-Shine (contains citric acid) and Dawn. They still have minimal tarnish.
 
Zink leached off the surface will not weaken the case, load and shoot as normal. I once added a bit to much acid (tried a splash of lemon juice, vinegar, drop of dawn dish wash, with normal shake of lemi shine) to a batch of dirty 223/556 range brass. Came out of the tumbler, clean and pinkish. More pink color same area as your pic. Shooting them and loading them color normalized again.
 
If it were me, I'd be wondering if it was a surface effect, or if it goes deeper. Steel wool will probably answer that. Surface effect, I wouldn't be too too concerned. If it goes deeper, then more questions would be in order.
 
Just curious, is this the first time you annealed them? Perhaps a manufacturers issue just now becomes obvious.....

Meaning perhaps the manufacturer had an initial annealing problem.
 
308win. Winchester Brass... I anneal them every 5 firings. They're on their 30th firing and still holding up like new !!!

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Couldn't care less what others think. I use a socket on a drill method in a dark room with TV on in the background. As soon as I see any glow on the neck I call it good.
 
The question is will the zinc being bleached out weaken the brass, or somehow else affect its strength or mallability?
You're looking at the result of a redox reaction on the surface of the brass, maybe a molecule or two thick. Zinc is not being leeched or smelted of the brass alloy to any significant depth. As an example, the "pink" color you observed after annealing can be generated in brass prep after brass prep by using too much Lemishine, low pH, or other chelating agents. It does not hurt anything other than the psyche of those that witness it. A single cleaning without excessive Lemishine/acidity/chelating agents is usually all it takes for the pink color to disappear. I understand that it is an unusual thing to see when it is first observed and that it may cause concern, but it's not a problem.
 
I just came across these few pieces of Lapua brass that took on a strange color after annealing. They are from the same lot, and have been run the exact same way as all the others, yet they take on that strange copper color. Can anyone explain? Thanks.
Not trying to be rude but how come no-one else seems to have this coloration when annealing. I still think it's strange that it only happens to a few cases out of the same box. If it's heat causing a problem from annealing you should see it on the shoulder and not only on the body below the shoulder?
 
Just curious, is this the first time you annealed them? Perhaps a manufacturers issue just now becomes obvious.....

Meaning perhaps the manufacturer had an initial annealing problem.
This is the third time annealing them. This never happened before.
 

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