Warner sizing die- who uses one?
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memilanuk
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If you were to go that route... I for one would be checking to see if the gunsmith who chambered the barrel had a die reamer to match the chamber reamer, and get that expensive custom die made to fit my *exact* chamber. Otherwise... I think I'd stick with what you have going now. Unless of course you think that all that stands between you and glory is how you size your brass 
Or....., you could send a couple of cases, that have been fired in your chamber, at least 3 times, to Harrell's Precision in Salem, Va., and they will make you a custom die that uses bushings for the neck and, sizes your brass minimally.
wolfman
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There are definatly other things I can do to improve the consistency of my ammo before going the Warner route. I was just curious if anyone had first hand experience with it. I've been thinking about the new Forster f/l w/ bushing, much like the Harrell's, I would think.
I have the Warner die for my 6mm BR and the resized cases are perfect. The die set consists of a massive die body with a body insert and a matching shoulder/neck bushing for each case type. You send them fired cases from your gun and they grind the die inserts to minimally resize your brass for your chamber.
I am also pleased with the die because I enjoy using tools that are finely made and the workmanship on this thing is second to none. I agree that this die will not give you low ES and SD by itself, but the cases come out of the die uniform, consistent, and concentric which is a good starting point.
The die body itself is expensive but you can get inserts for many other calibers for about the same price you'd pay for other full-custom dies. You should know the loaded neck diameter you want to work with because the neck/shoulder bushings cost $50.00 each. You also need a press with a removable bushing because the threads on the die body are much larger than standard loading dies. My press is a Redding Big Boss II and it has the right threads after I remove a bushing.
I plan to get the inserts made for a second gun once I have completed my load development and have finalized the neck tension.
I am also pleased with the die because I enjoy using tools that are finely made and the workmanship on this thing is second to none. I agree that this die will not give you low ES and SD by itself, but the cases come out of the die uniform, consistent, and concentric which is a good starting point.
The die body itself is expensive but you can get inserts for many other calibers for about the same price you'd pay for other full-custom dies. You should know the loaded neck diameter you want to work with because the neck/shoulder bushings cost $50.00 each. You also need a press with a removable bushing because the threads on the die body are much larger than standard loading dies. My press is a Redding Big Boss II and it has the right threads after I remove a bushing.
I plan to get the inserts made for a second gun once I have completed my load development and have finalized the neck tension.
Wolfman,
I wouldn't waste the money on the Warner dies. Couldn't find a price anywhere on his site but $50 for a neck shoulder bushing??? Each shoulder bushing from Neil Jones cost $14. The dies are micrometer adjustable so that you do not need to use 'head space ring & shim'. You can 'dial in' the head space to within .0005",a half thousandth). NO annealing is required either. If the body bushings are removable then there is excess space which would allow movement. How else would the bushing be removeable. I would stick with someone who has been doing this for 35 + years. At least give him a call and talk to him before throwing your money away.
Preacher, there is no comparison to Neils dies. No one fully understands how they are made or the time and precision put into each set of dies.
OutKaste
I wouldn't waste the money on the Warner dies. Couldn't find a price anywhere on his site but $50 for a neck shoulder bushing??? Each shoulder bushing from Neil Jones cost $14. The dies are micrometer adjustable so that you do not need to use 'head space ring & shim'. You can 'dial in' the head space to within .0005",a half thousandth). NO annealing is required either. If the body bushings are removable then there is excess space which would allow movement. How else would the bushing be removeable. I would stick with someone who has been doing this for 35 + years. At least give him a call and talk to him before throwing your money away.
Preacher, there is no comparison to Neils dies. No one fully understands how they are made or the time and precision put into each set of dies.
OutKaste
rstreich,
Well, if you look at his dies and look at Jones dies, it's pretty self explanatory. In order to set the head space on Warner's dies, you have to remove the top and replace the 'head space ring & shim'. That is after you figure out where you're at with the head space. If you don't have any other shims, you will have to order and wait for them. If the bushings are $50 a piece, what are the shims going for? Jones have a micrometer top so you just dial it to where it has to be. No dis-assembly and once you find it, tighten the set screw and it will never move. And depending on how tight you crank Warner's assembly down, you can change it several thousandths.
If you buy a Jones die @ $175,threaded full length sizing die) with 2 bushings @ $14 each, you will not have to buy another piece for the die.
If you buy a Warner's die @ $? with a $50 bushing,no doubt needing another one later) cost of shims, the hassle of taking it apart in order to set the head space to the correct dimension, which one do you think would be better?
Hope this helps.
OutKaste
Well, if you look at his dies and look at Jones dies, it's pretty self explanatory. In order to set the head space on Warner's dies, you have to remove the top and replace the 'head space ring & shim'. That is after you figure out where you're at with the head space. If you don't have any other shims, you will have to order and wait for them. If the bushings are $50 a piece, what are the shims going for? Jones have a micrometer top so you just dial it to where it has to be. No dis-assembly and once you find it, tighten the set screw and it will never move. And depending on how tight you crank Warner's assembly down, you can change it several thousandths.
If you buy a Jones die @ $175,threaded full length sizing die) with 2 bushings @ $14 each, you will not have to buy another piece for the die.
If you buy a Warner's die @ $? with a $50 bushing,no doubt needing another one later) cost of shims, the hassle of taking it apart in order to set the head space to the correct dimension, which one do you think would be better?
Hope this helps.
OutKaste
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