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Varget Shipping into USA vs. Europe

Is it all rumor or is there truth about Hodgdon Varget not being able to ship into the US because of some regulation they do not meet in manufacturing or something?

I have had numerous people ask me about it and it would nice to be able to give them a real answer!
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Forum Boss: Varget, an ADI powder made in Australia, can ship in the USA. There are restrictions on ADI powders in Europe.

See Laurie's post below for full, detailed explanation.
 
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My understanding (which certainly may be in error) is that the EU (European Union) with the advent of the REACH (Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals) has in effect precluded the use of the Hodgdon "H" powders there.

At this point, (also to my understanding) the manufacturers must prove that the chemicals used in the production of powder cause no harm. Note that the 'state' has no duty to prove that they DO in fact cause harm...

So far, at least this has not afflicted (note that I said afflicted and not affected) us here in the US with regard to powder.

I first came across this in my former life as a Mass Spectrometrist several years ago when I couldn't get replacement circuit boards for my instruments for a good while because the use of lead solder in the EU was banned (also REACH madness).

I hope we remain unaffected, but wouldn't want to put money on it not reaching our shores at some point.

I would bet the Laurie Holland could add a lot to this discussion as he is in the middle of the madness.

More information for the curious here: https://ec.europa.eu/environment/chemicals/reach/reach_en.htm

Hope you find this useful,

Frank
 
just a note for future reference, the current administration thru osha, has reclassified modern smokeless gun powder as an EXPLOSIVE, it has always be listed as a FLAMMABLE which is what it actually is. it does not explode it burn rapidly
yes dot not osha
 
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EU REACH regulations made the import of a considerable number of powders illegal some two (or was it three?) years ago. This included the entire Thales / ADI produced range of 'Extreme' extruded powders marketed under the Hodgdon label (plus IMR-8208 XBR which is same source / family), older St Marks ball grades such as W748/760 and H380 / H. B-L(C2). We also lost all older Du Pont era IMR grades such as 3031 and 4064. but not the modern CFEs, StaBALL 6.5, Alliant Power-Pro range.

All European manufactured powders are REACH-compliant, so that's Lovex (Shooters World in the US), Norma, Reload Swiss, and Vihtavuori marques, but also all Alliant Reloder grades (made in Sweden and Switzerland) and Ramshot ball powders (Belgian). In addition, the six new Canadian IMR 'Enduron' powders are REACH-compliant, so we've retained those.

The REACH issue is about a tiny part of the banned powders, less than 1 or 2% content of various older burn rate and similar chemical 'modifiers'. The real risk to health and the environment is nil! I'm sure nevertheless that the US will sooner or later go the same way. It is said that ADI is currently developing modified 'green' and 'safe' versions of its range in response.

So far as the effect on US H. VarGet, H4350 etc consumers go, REACH has been beneficial in that a major alternative market has been cut out and supplies now remain within the American continent(s) once landed and shipped to Hodgdon.

As I understand it, Thales / ADI is making as much of the Extreme range as can be shipped. That is the primary bottleneck. Powders are shipped in bulk from Sidney to somewhere on the US West Coast, and there is a single shipping company serving the route with limited capacity. Moreover, it serves New Zealand en route and the port concerned has explosives weights limits on one of its two piers. So, many ships' captains refuse any shipment weight above the lower level to avoid potential delays in docking. On top of that there is the post-Covid shipping crisis which no doubt doesn't help either if the ships are stuck in queues waiting to dock at either end.

This sets the ceiling on US imports of these powders. The only other possible supply-end factor is whether 'local' demand has risen, 'local' as in Australia and New Zealand where they're sold under the ADI brand name and ADI's own product descriptions - at very high prices if forum complaints by shooters in those countries are believed - no discount for local users at all! Australia has always been security conscious and was ramping up its military preparedness even before the Ukraine invasion in response to the growing Chinese threat, so military demand met by ADI's ammunition manufacturing division may have increased taking up additional powder too.

Nevertheless, the overwhelming majority of these powders end up in Kansas. So the grade breakdown is largely in Hodgdon's hands. Last year and that before, all you US-based guys on this and other forums were screaming 'We want H4350!'; 'More H4350!', and now you've apparently got it. (Or, maybe that's just a perception of availability vis a vis VarGet as personal experiences at the LGS counter aren't exactly reliable indicators of the overall situation.)

I've been doing an analysis (and range testing) of alternatives to the 'Fab Four' (H4895, H4350, H4831 and H. VarGet) post-REACH, and the simple answer is substitution. There are plenty of alternatives - around 15 each for H4350 and H4831 of which two or three are Europe-only powders, and no fewer than 27 for the H4895/VarGet pair, again with two or three 'local' powders. (But you actually still have a much, much wider choice as you have all the other REACH-affected powders which we've lost as well as some grades that don't get here primarily 'accurate' labels.) There are a few cartridges where these ADI powders really are ideally matched, eg VarGet and the 6mm Dasher, but most applications have just as good alternatives. (I grind my teeth to see threads or posts on this forum with people quoting VarGet loads in common or garden short-distance non-precision 308 Win loads - what a waste to burn VarGet in this most powder-flexible of cartridges for all than a handful of specialist loads!)

Of course, saying there are alternatives may not help if those grades aren't available in the LGS either and that's a result more of the growing imbalance between supply and demand for these products across the West for which there is no short-term structural 'fix', and things may in fact get [much] worse as 1) there seems no end to the US public 'tooling up' and wanting factory ammo for its new guns, and 2) the end - and in fact partial reversal - of the post USSR implosion / end of the Cold War Peace Dividend (which was severely overdone by many countries which in effect demilitarised completely and if they have any sense will have to start military spending again in a big way!)

Countering that, I suspect though that in the short-term at least, demand will reduce and shortages ease or even abate entirely - we in the West are all facing a lot of economic and personal financial pain with looming recessions and out of control price inflation. Most factory ammo and handloading supplies demand is highly discretionary, and as people become poorer or lose their jobs, civilian demand will reduce. Not nice, but it'll put supply and demand back into balance.

We in Europe learned to forget the more popular Hodgdon powders long, long before REACH, for the simple reason that supply became so irregular and inadequate. Most of us don't miss them. H4831sc for F-Open shooters using 284 and the short magnums is probably the most missed now as it really fits a niche.
 
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Thank you @Laurie. What's Varget's closest substitution from VV?

Depending on the cartridge / bullet combination Viht N140, N540, or N150. Most UK 6BR target shooters use N150 behind 105s and heavier with a minority on N140/540. The 308 Win heavy (185gn or heavier) bullet powder of choice for F/TR and similar is N150 in small primer Lapua brass loaded pretty heavily. (I often loaded N150 with 155-175s back in the day too in LP brass as I liked its consistency and the groups it produced.)

Europe-only Reload Swiss RS 50 and 52 grades are very popular here too in 308 especially in shorter distance club events.

The move to these and other combinations long predated REACH, in 308 Win going back to the introduction of the 185gn Berger Juggernaut still in large primer cases in those days and we generally ran higher MVs than US competitors. But then, these are chilly islands, and we have fewer temperature induced pressure worries.
 
Depending where you live in Australia right now, it is hard to get some ADI powders. We have the greatest demand for 2206H (H4895), 2208 (varget) and 2209 (H4350). These powders are produced 7 days a week, with others run in batches.

Prices have gone up...since moving to 1kg bottles here prices are about $128 per kg. We can't get Alliant powders here either, they're flat out trying to keep up with factory ammo orders and Australia is a drop in the ocean compared to the US market. Vitavouri disappeared from our market a few years ago due to rising prices and difficulty in getting it shipped out of Europe to us.

Welcome to the new world...
 
My understanding (which certainly may be in error) is that the EU (European Union) with the advent of the REACH (Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals) has in effect precluded the use of the Hodgdon "H" powders there.

At this point, (also to my understanding) the manufacturers must prove that the chemicals used in the production of powder cause no harm. Note that the 'state' has no duty to prove that they DO in fact cause harm...

So far, at least this has not afflicted (note that I said afflicted and not affected) us here in the US with regard to powder.

I first came across this in my former life as a Mass Spectrometrist several years ago when I couldn't get replacement circuit boards for my instruments for a good while because the use of lead solder in the EU was banned (also REACH madness).

I hope we remain unaffected, but wouldn't want to put money on it not reaching our shores at some point.

I would bet the Laurie Holland could add a lot to this discussion as he is in the middle of the madness.

More information for the curious here: https://ec.europa.eu/environment/chemicals/reach/reach_en.htm

Hope you find this useful,

Frank
Lead Solder was not REACH regulations. It was banned under the RoHS regulations. In my previous life, I built and repaired circuit boards for nuclear plant safety systems.
 
Here in Canada Varget will pop up from time to time but fairly pricey but I've been looking for h4198 and it hasn't been available for a while now.
 
Depending where you live in Australia right now, it is hard to get some ADI powders. We have the greatest demand for 2206H (H4895), 2208 (varget) and 2209 (H4350). These powders are produced 7 days a week, with others run in batches.

Prices have gone up...since moving to 1kg bottles here prices are about $128 per kg. We can't get Alliant powders here either, they're flat out trying to keep up with factory ammo orders and Australia is a drop in the ocean compared to the US market. Vitavouri disappeared from our market a few years ago due to rising prices and difficulty in getting it shipped out of Europe to us.

Welcome to the new world...

Same here in NZ, 2208/Varget and 2209 are the most popular powders (excluding F Open) and IF you can get them its closer to $150.00 for us for 1KG. The importer brings in a container full and its all gone the next day, then its another 6 month wait.
 
Lead Solder was not REACH regulations. It was banned under the RoHS regulations. In my previous life, I built and repaired circuit boards for nuclear plant safety systems.
Thank you for the correction. Looks to me like similar insanity from my perspective though.

Frank
 
EU REACH regulations made the import of a considerable number of powders illegal some two (or was it three?) years ago. This included the entire Thales / ADI produced range of 'Extreme' extruded powders marketed under the Hodgdon label (plus IMR-8208 XBR which is same source / family), older St Marks ball grades such as W748/760 and H380 / H. B-L(C2). We also lost all older Du Pont era IMR grades such as 3031 and 4064. but not the modern CFEs, StaBALL 6.5, Alliant Power-Pro range.

All European manufactured powders are REACH-compliant, so that's Lovex (Shooters World in the US), Norma, Reload Swiss, and Vihtavuori marques, but also all Alliant Reloder grades (made in Sweden and Switzerland) and Ramshot ball powders (Belgian). In addition, the six new Canadian IMR 'Enduron' powders are REACH-compliant, so we've retained those.

The REACH issue is about a tiny part of the banned powders, less than 1 or 2% content of various older burn rate and similar chemical 'modifiers'. The real risk to health and the environment is nil! I'm sure nevertheless that the US will sooner or later go the same way. It is said that ADI is currently developing modified 'green' and 'safe' versions of its range in response.

So far as the effect on US H. VarGet, H4350 etc consumers go, REACH has been beneficial in that a major alternative market has been cut out and supplies now remain within the American continent(s) once landed and shipped to Hodgdon.

As I understand it, Thales / ADI is making as much of the Extreme range as can be shipped. That is the primary bottleneck. Powders are shipped in bulk from Sidney to somewhere on the US West Coast, and there is a single shipping company serving the route with limited capacity. Moreover, it serves New Zealand en route and the port concerned has explosives weights limits on one of its two piers. So, many ships' captains refuse any shipment weight above the lower level to avoid potential delays in docking. On top of that there is the post-Covid shipping crisis which no doubt doesn't help either if the ships are stuck in queues waiting to dock at either end.

This sets the ceiling on US imports of these powders. The only other possible supply-end factor is whether 'local' demand has risen, 'local' as in Australia and New Zealand where they're sold under the ADI brand name and ADI's own product descriptions - at very high prices if forum complaints by shooters in those countries are believed - no discount for local users at all! Australia has always been security conscious and was ramping up its military preparedness even before the Ukraine invasion in response to the growing Chinese threat, so military demand met by ADI's ammunition manufacturing division may have increased taking up additional powder too.

Nevertheless, the overwhelming majority of these powders end up in Kansas. So the grade breakdown is largely in Hodgdon's hands. Last year and that before, all you US-based guys on this and other forums were screaming 'We want H4350!'; 'More H4350!', and now you've apparently got it. (Or, maybe that's just a perception of availability vis a vis VarGet as personal experiences at the LGS counter aren't exactly reliable indicators of the overall situation.)

I've been doing an analysis (and range testing) of alternatives to the 'Fab Four' (H4895, H4350, H4831 and H. VarGet) post-REACH, and the simple answer is substitution. There are plenty of alternatives - around 15 each for H4350 and H4831 of which two or three are Europe-only powders, and no fewer than 27 for the H4895/VarGet pair, again with two or three 'local' powders. (But you actually still have a much, much wider choice as you have all the other REACH-affected powders which we've lost as well as some grades that don't get here primarily 'accurate' labels.) There are a few cartridges where these ADI powders really are ideally matched, eg VarGet and the 6mm Dasher, but most applications have just as good alternatives. (I grind my teeth to see threads or posts on this forum with people quoting VarGet loads in common or garden short-distance non-precision 308 Win loads - what a waste to burn VarGet in this most powder-flexible of cartridges for all than a handful of specialist loads!)

Of course, saying there are alternatives may not help if those grades aren't available in the LGS either and that's a result more of the growing imbalance between supply and demand for these products across the West for which there is no short-term structural 'fix', and things may in fact get [much] worse as 1) there seems no end to the US public 'tooling up' and wanting factory ammo for its new guns, and 2) the end - and in fact partial reversal - of the post USSR implosion / end of the Cold War Peace Dividend (which was severely overdone by many countries which in effect demilitarised completely and if they have any sense will have to start military spending again in a big way!)

Countering that, I suspect though that in the short-term at least, demand will reduce and shortages ease or even abate entirely - we in the West are all facing a lot of economic and personal financial pain with looming recessions and out of control price inflation. Most factory ammo and handloading supplies demand is highly discretionary, and as people become poorer or lose their jobs, civilian demand will reduce. Not nice, but it'll put supply and demand back into balance.

We in Europe learned to forget the more popular Hodgdon powders long, long before REACH, for the simple reason that supply became so irregular and inadequate. Most of us don't miss them. H4831sc for F-Open shooters using 284 and the short magnums is probably the most missed now as it really fits a niche.
Does BREXIT affect REACH in the UK?
 

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