Vandergrift Sportsmen's 2022 Winter Rifle League

[bugman]

One solution to this problem is to allow multiple rifles to be shot, but only pay out for one. Designate the first registered rifle "eligible" or let the match director choose. It really doesn't matter because no one competes in this sport for the money, and, frankly, most could care less because payouts will never make you rich.
Many times just the simple decision to have multiple classes can eliminate this problem. In other words, if a LV and HV class is offered, the shooter can register one rifle in each class EVEN IF the rifles are the same weight.
I can only speak for myself, but if I am going to travel any distance then I want to shoot multiple rifles, just for the enjoyment of what I like to do. Often I also want to compare tuning results in similar conditions.
Regarding an unfair advantage from shooting multiple rifles...many times these rifles are not the same caliber, and even similar calibers rarely shoot the same components, barrels, etc. And let's be honest...identical conditions from one relay to the next are rare in this part of PA, and that makes for an apples-to-oranges scenario. The point is that it will not be an unfair advantage if the first registered rifle is the only one eligible to win, and you are limited to one payout, regardless of the number of rifles entered.
In my opinion, if you want people to drive distance, pay for 4 dollar gas and grow the sport, limiting the rounds they can shoot is not the answer.

 

[Fuj]

In my opinion, if you want people to drive distance, pay for 4 dollar gas and grow the sport, limiting the rounds they can shoot is not the answer.

It's not about limiting the rounds, It's about the multiple rifles
that could be used to win one single gathering. Let me say that
I shoot with Jeff Gates and the crew at Anderson Creek, I drive
150 miles from Erie to shoot at least 2 matches per month. Yes
Sir, I love to compete and have for years in quite a few disciplines.
I'll just say. I'll have to pass on your clubs format. and wish the
club well.

 

[R.Morehouse]

If it's the chance of winning a few bucks that gets you jazzed-up, you can always do what my friends and I have done if we are shooting the same relay. Put an agreed amount up between each other in a nice quiet way. We have done this here and there & I think it adds to the fun.
Shooting multiple guns in different relays shouldn't make and difference IMHO. Each relay is it's own mini match, especially if you run unlimited sighters................Happy New Year

Regards
Rick

 

[Rem06]

no one competes in this sport for the money, and, frankly, most could care less because payouts will never make you rich

BS. I been to enough matches for this to be not true. there are guys that absolutely go for the payout.
and not afraid to cheat at it to win.
they keep a lazer eye on the scores.
i was spotter for a winning tgt once, a damn good one that GOT LOST in the count at the end. ??? GONE?
correct on not making you rich.

Part of the game if you screw up bad enough you can ruin your chances in a MATCH by crosafiring.
or gain...

 

[bugman]

It's not about limiting the rounds, It's about the multiple rifles
that could be used to win one single gathering. Let me say that
I shoot with Jeff Gates and the crew at Anderson Creek, I drive
150 miles from Erie to shoot at least 2 matches per month. Yes
Sir, I love to compete and have for years in quite a few disciplines.
I'll just say. I'll have to pass on your clubs format. and wish the
club well.

try to read slower....my OP addresses the problem of shooting more rounds AND, at the same time, limiting the potential winning to one rifle.

I have no idea what "shooting with Jeff" has to do with any of this, but have shot with him far longer in numerous places, before you even knew Anderson Creek existed. I am not arguing with Jeff. His opinion is worth the same amount as mine. He is my friend, and knows exactly what my opinion has been on this subject.

I also do not know what the number of matches you shoot per month has to do with anything.
You have no idea the number of matches I shoot per month or the distance driven. Lets just say two per month with one rifle at each would bore me. I shot at 8 separate locations in 2021, and under multiple formats, and have no idea the total number of matches. The rules varied quite a bit, but only two of the eight places limited participation the way you defend.....and one of the places, Ridgeway, limits rifles only because of the full rotations.

You might be shocked to know that my comments were not directed toward "my club's format". This forum is a place to exchange ideas. I did not post on this thread to start an argument. Every club can run matches the way they see fit. Every shooter can either agree or shoot somewhere else. Life is too short.

Why do you think large matches usually have eight record targets and a two-day format? It is because most shooters would not drive hundreds of miles, pay for several days lodging, meals, etc. and be limited to 40 rounds.

 

[bugman]

no one competes in this sport for the money, and, frankly, most could care less because payouts will never make you rich

BS. I been to enough matches for this to be not true. there are guys that absolutely go for the payout.
and not afraid to cheat at it to win.
they keep a lazer eye on the scores.
i was spotter for a winning tgt once, a damn good one that GOT LOST in the count at the end. ??? GONE?
correct on not making you rich.

I totally agree with what you said.
I should have said that only the type of shooter that I consider righteous and a friend could care less about the payouts. There will always be the type that you describe...and that is the reason why I do not shoot where you and I know you are talking about.
I have won between 750 and 1200 dollars at single matches several times, but that is only because I played by THEIR rules. I am just as happy to compete for a piece of wood.

 

[Rem06]

I totally agree with what you said.
I should have said that only the type of shooter that I consider righteous and a friend could care less about the payouts. There will always be the type that you describe...and that is the reason why I do not shoot where you and I know you are talking about.
I have won between 750 and 1200 dollars at single matches several times, but that is only because I played by THEIR rules. I am just as happy to compete for a piece

I always went to shoot with my friends! winning was just there if you did very well. I shot against myself to do better.

i would be 100% in for one rifle per class. wanna shoot more, get in a different class.

crossfiring with some of these 50 to 100lb rests ?
people would pay more attention if they only shot 1 rifle instead of rushing to get ready for the 2nd or 3rd also.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I welcome even competition. If A gets one attempt and B gets 2 attempts that is not a level playing field. So simple. Willie Mays strikes out bottem of the ninth, Game 7 World Series......Well now Willie flew clear across the country let's give Willie 3 more stikes, you know, another chance to do what he did not do the first time. We will just need to disagree on this. Not only is it not in us in the spirit of level competition I feel it is a detriment to encouraging new competitors.I see one place for a second chance (since no one else has come up with one), a reserve parachute.

 

[bugman]

I welcome even competition. If A gets one attempt and B gets 2 attempts that is not a level playing field. So simple. Willie Mays strikes out bottem of the ninth, Game 7 World Series......Well now Willie flew clear across the country let's give Willie 3 more stikes, you know, another chance to do what he did not do the first time. We will just need to disagree on this. Not only is it not in us in the spirit of level competition I feel it is a detriment to encouraging new competitors.I see one place for a second chance (since no one else has come up with one), a reserve parachute.

I welcome even competition.
If "A" gets two attempts, but only his first attempt counts toward any type of an award, how is that not a level playing field, compared to "B" that shoots only one rifle? If a new competitor has two rifles, and wants to shoot both in competition, and accepts the reality that he can only be paid for the first registered rifle, will restricting his desire to shoot both rifles be an encouragement to shoot more and enjoy his passion?
I have always agreed to disagree on this.....but only if my words are not spun, and taken out of context.
I am out...enough said.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I welcome even competition.
If "A" gets two attempts, but only his first attempt counts toward any type of an award, how is that not a level playing field, compared to "B" that shoots only one rifle? If a new competitor has two rifles, and wants to shoot both in competition, and accepts the reality that he can only be paid for the first registered rifle, will restricting his desire to shoot both rifles be an encouragement to shoot more and enjoy his passion?
I have always agreed to disagree on this.....but only if my words are not spun, and taken out of context.
I am out...enough said.

If only the first rifles score in a class c

One solution to this problem is to allow multiple rifles to be shot, but only pay out for one. Designate the first registered rifle "eligible" or let the match director choose. It really doesn't matter because no one competes in this sport for the money, and, frankly, most could care less because payouts will never make you rich.
Many times just the simple decision to have multiple classes can eliminate this problem. In other words, if a LV and HV class is offered, the shooter can register one rifle in each class EVEN IF the rifles are the same weight.
I can only speak for myself, but if I am going to travel any distance then I want to shoot multiple rifles, just for the enjoyment of what I like to do. Often I also want to compare tuning results in similar conditions.
Regarding an unfair advantage from shooting multiple rifles...many times these rifles are not the same caliber, and even similar calibers rarely shoot the same components, barrels, etc. And let's be honest...identical conditions from one relay to the next are rare in this part of PA, and that makes for an apples-to-oranges scenario. The point is that it will not be an unfair advantage if the first registered rifle is the only one eligible to win, and you are limited to one payout, regardless of the number of rifles entered.
In my opinion, if you want people to drive distance, pay for 4 dollar gas and grow the sport, limiting the rounds they can shoot is not the answer.

If the first rifle you shoot in a class is the only score that counts , I have no problem at all as I have stated before. Shoot all the rifles you want, more money for the club, I am and always have been fine with that. In general when this multi gun in a class is discussed I have not heard that. First gun scores rule, I am all for it.

 

[JLW]

Jeff u know as well as I do that on any given day about 5 guys can win the match the new guy won’t win regardless ur good enough to that u can beat the guy shooting 6 guns ur names always at the top I’m surprised u don’t welcome the competition and extra money

ttt

 

[JLW]

Vandergrift Sportsmen will hold their first match on Saturday, January 15, 2022. Gates open at 7am sigh ups start at 8am and Matches start at 10am. We will shoot 4 relays at 200yds. Match fees are $20.00 per rifle and lunch is included in Match Fees. If you want to shoot 2 rifles second rifle fee will $15.00. We will also shoot a group shoot of 5shots no sighters at 200yds fee will be $2.00 extra There will be 2 Classes Custom and Factory.
Vandergrift Sportsmen will also shoot matches On February 5, 2022, March 5, 2022, and April 2,2022. These shoots will be on the First Saturday of the month.

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