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using lead shot load data for buckshot load?

I want to use lead shot data to load #1 and #2 buckshot. I will of course use all other components exactly as specified, but because of the shot size, the load would be much lighter than called for (0.6 oz. of #2 buck in place of a 1 1/8 oz. load).

I would use Titewad if I were to do this.

Is this dangerous?
 
Shotgun reloading is all about following a tested and hopefully published recipe. Buckshot has much different pressure characteristics than birdshot. My advice is to find and follow a such a recipe exactly. I use a Lyman handbook but there's lots of other sources.
 
Is a Spherical Powder (ball) that* may not down load well. The 0.6 oz. of #2 buck may not produce enough pressure . A squib will be the results. Imo.

Dangerous? Yes, if a wad sticks in the barrel and another round is fired.
 
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What components do you have available to load? I have a buck shot loading manual and can see what it may have.
Most of the manuals will say that it doesn't work very well using small shot data because the height of the wad column is way to high and you can't get a good crimp.

Joe
 
Hodgdon has plenty of 7/8 oz loads with Titewad, online. Can you use one of those?
 
Could you point me somewhere to see what you're talking about as far as buckshot having different pressure curves than birdshot... I was always told 1oz is 1oz of payload... I do have the Lyman 5th edition shotshells manual... Absolutely not arguing I certainly don't know everything but would like to learn if there's something else to pick up...
For the life of me I can't lay my hands on my Lyman manual. I would point to the fact that in all the data I can recall buckshot is listed as separate data from birdshot--as is tungsten, bismuth, and slugs. The mass may be the same, but the internal ballistics are different. No offense intended. I tend to be conservative and stick with published shotgun data.
 
That guy is a blast to watch , he's the one that got me started messing with shotgun.... MannyCA also does some neat stuff and is a nice guy...
Here's some guide lines when loading buck shot. Use a three or four petal wad. They offer more protection for large shot. Deformed shot doesn't fly as straight, or as far as round shot, it also loses velocity quicker. So use a buffer like ballistic specialties #47 to protect the payload. The buffer together with the shot will have to be weighed together so you can find a powder load. Here's some shot pellet counts for #1, #2, #3, #4 buck. There 10 #1 pellets in one ounce, 14 #2 pellets, 18 #3, and 21 #4 pellets in one ounce. Combine the number of pellets and buffer and weigh on a scale. If it's an ounce and 1/4 combined, look for a 1 1/4 oz. load in your shot shell book. An ounce payload is an ounce payload. Velocity will be the same as well for an ounce of buck shot with buffer or an ounce of #8's without buffer.
 
Also check out Ballistic Products online...
This!!! BPI has a little specialty load data booklet that is worth every penny. It is full of loads for slugs and buckshot. There is more to loading shot shells than just getting a charge of powder and a weight of shot. You should have the correct wad and usually most buckshot loads, while they don't really require it, use a buffer. This is plastic little fine beads that help produce a better pattern. Pattern is everything when it comes to effective buckshot. Not just tight either, you may want it to open and disperse sooner in a defense type situation. Bottom line, don't follow the rules and best case you will spend money to accomplish nothing and maybe even wreck your gun. Worst case you risk injury.
There is just no kind of reloading that is something to guess at. The life you save may be yours and as I always say, you only have one set of eyes. Loose them and you wont be worried about loading or shooting guns ever again.
 
For the life of me I can't lay my hands on my Lyman manual. I would point to the fact that in all the data I can recall buckshot is listed as separate data from birdshot--as is tungsten, bismuth, and slugs. The mass may be the same, but the internal ballistics are different. No offense intended. I tend to be conservative and stick with published shotgun data.
Absolutely no offense , thanks for looking I had mine laying on the table beside me because I am fixing to change hull brands for my skeet loads to Remington... The new AA just are not what they used to be.... I kinda thumbed through it in the buckshot section... I tell you what untill I can find out a little more I am going to delete my comment.... Shotgun reloading can be dangerous and I don't want to throw any bad data out there....I also only use published data in shotgun , you can make a big mistake just using the wrong primer... Something I honestly can say I don't worry to much about in pistol or rifle..
 
Thanks for all of the responses.

liljoe, I have the following:

- Remington Nitro 27 once fired hulls (Ballistic Products)
- Winchester 209 primer
- Trap commander, Z21 1 1/8 ounce wad
- Winchester WAA12SL 1 to 1 /8 ounce wad
- Titewad
- #2 buck, nickel plated
- cardboard overshot cards
- cork, 20 gauge, 1/16 inch

With regard to the column height being too high, that's one reason the shot weight is light. The other being I would like to have a low recoil home defense load. (While I hope to never actually have to use it for home defense, I want to shoot it at the range on a regular basis.)

There is room in the Z21 to get up to 12 #2, and the WAA12SL could probably hold 15, which I believe is approximately 0.8 and 1 ounce respectively.

Thanks for offering to check your load data for me.

With regard to 7/8 ounce wad, I am going to try to get a bag. After all of this feedback, IF I were to try this I would up the shot counts in Z21 and WAA12SL to get closer to 1 1/8 ounce, and only try the 9 pellet count with a 7/8 ounce wad (and maybe not even then, depending on the feedback I receive).

And yes, all of the load data I am considering is from the Hodgdon site. They have Titewad loads for 3/4 to 1 1/8 loads, but all of the buckshot loads are HS6.
 
FWIW the Lyman manual doesn't have a load/s for the TiteWad powder with buckshot and Remington hulls.

For that matter, no buckshot Titewad powder loads. More than likely too fast.
 
There are 3 loads with the same components, except amount of powder. Start with the 15.5 @ 7,900 PSI load & around 1oz of buck. 20201208_101935.jpg20201208_101850.jpg
 
BUT if you reload a bunch of shotshells you DO notice that before this crap the Winchester 209 primer shrunk it's flash hole... In my opinion leading to problems....
 
BUT if you reload a bunch of shotshells you DO notice that before this crap the Winchester 209 primer shrunk it's flash hole... In my opinion leading to problems....
Hmmm, I have a low opinion of Win LR when lighting heavy loads but never had problems with 209's in shotshells.....when they're constructed correctly for a complete fill with a tight crimp.
IME the hull, powder and wad selection is critical to relying on them going bang flawlessly.
 

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