UPS Changes to Gun Shipping Policies

[Brians356]

All of my firearms I receive from my distributors are delivered via UPS. Just received some this last Friday.

Of course that notice did not say UPS won't ship firearms. So there's that...
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[Rat Rifle]

Ah, the “see something, say something” makes the youngans want to report the anti woke subversive behavior to the “authorities“. Old Soviet tactics. Next, we’ll see children turning in their parents.

Yep, right on. As a reminder, bring up the old “1984” movie. There it is in black and white. Ain‘t like we haven’t been told.

 

[Brians356]

I go to the Panera here in Tulsa for Bible study several days a week. Even the employees wear rainbow Panera shirts that say "pride" on them. The very symbol of the covenant with God used for "pride". Sodom was destroyed for pride. That can't be a coincidence.

Lots of tattoos, face jewelry, really bad hair colors, not a lot of tanned folks... Aside from the occasional walk in from the yoga place next door, they are not the best looking bunch.

And they're not reproducing, so thank God for that.
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[Emmett Dibble]

Why do they want a pick up scheduled as opposed to shipping from the depot? The extra $7-10? So they don’t have to print a label? It honestly doesn’t both me because I have a UPS account and do schedule my pickups because I have no urge to go to the depot and our UPS guy (at home and work) are cool dudes. When I ship a rifle, I insure heavy, follow all ATF regulations and break them down to non-firearm shaped boxes… No where on the form does it ask if it’s a firearm or even what it is?

 

[Brians356]

Why do they want a pick up scheduled as opposed to shipping from the depot? The extra $7-10? So they don’t have to print a label? It honestly doesn’t both me because I have a UPS account and do schedule my pickups because I have no urge to go to the depot and our UPS guy (at home and work) are cool dudes. When I ship a rifle, I insure heavy, follow all ATF regulations and break them down to non-firearm shaped boxes… No where on the form does it ask if it’s a firearm or even what it is?

I thought about that, too. It's possible they want to discourage walk-in shippers who are trying to circumvent firearms laws. Someone could have a fake ID, etc. By forcing you to schedule a pickup, they now have a verifiable address from which the item originated, and in case of a violation of law, a place to start investigating. A walk-in might have no residence at all, and disappear as soon as he leaves the facility.
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[Timeless61]

Where is the reference to having a label created already? In UPS’s official policy they state that only federally licensed entities are able to ship firearm products.

How To Ship Firearms | UPS - United States

Information from UPS about how to ship firearms, which are considered a special-care shipment and require some extra steps before packing them up and shipping.

www.ups.com

From this, it would seem that a pre-printed label doesn’t get you around their policy unless you are licensed. It may only matter if an insurance issue arises, but it differs from their written policy.

 

[walker2713]

I finally remembered what she told me. She told me that they would not make labels at the UPS station for firearms anymore. So in other words if you brought a firearm into UPS and needed a label they will not make you a label. You can only bring in items that have pre-made labels. So in other words if you make your own label off of stamps.com or something like that put it on your package walk it into UPS then there's no problem shipping anything. Apparently they've had some problem making the labels there I'm not really sure what the problem is but that's what she told me was the change in their policy

I’m a slow learner…but I am a learner.

I got the UPS app, opened an account and created, paid for and printed a label.

Dropped the package off at my local UPS Store, no questions asked, and sure enough I see this morning that it’s in transit….be there in GA Friday.

Thanks,

George

 

[Brians356]

I got the UPS app, opened an account and created, paid for and printed a label.

Dropped the package off at my local UPS Store, no questions asked, and sure enough I see this morning that it’s in transit….be there in GA Friday.

You mean the sky is not falling after all?

But, of course they can trace you now. That's intolerable.
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[shortgrass]

If I take a package to the local shipping store (not the UPS depot) they will ask, "what's in the package?". They will not except a firearms shipment. I have to call for a 'pick-up', drop off at the local gunshop (we have a working relationship) or 'meet' a UPS truck at one of their pick-ups, or drive 15miles one way to the UPS depot. Same with FedEx, drop off at the FedEx depot or call for a pick-up. (I am FFL). Don't be fooled, any carrier can loose a package. We read about packages lost/damaged on this 'main message board" almost weekly.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I'm going to go drop off barrels today at the UPS hub in Tulsa and I'm going to ask very specific questions and get some answers.

 

[Cigarcop]

Bottom line is….
If and when your package goes missing from now on and it wasn’t shipped via their new policy good luck collecting any Insurance, Not that it’s easy to do regardless.
I now have 3 UPS Accts!

 

[coldboreshot]

I finally remembered what she told me. She told me that they would not make labels at the UPS station for firearms anymore. So in other words if you brought a firearm into UPS and needed a label they will not make you a label. You can only bring in items that have pre-made labels. So in other words if you make your own label off of stamps.com or something like that put it on your package walk it into UPS then there's no problem shipping anything. Apparently they've had some problem making the labels there I'm not really sure what the problem is but that's what she told me was the change in their policy

That's relatively correct...I believe new protocol is you have to ship firearms via fdl dealers to another ffl location. It was a matter of time when we were no longer permitted to ship to an ffl ourselves and as far as UPS, the fear of sitting on the stand while an attorney asks why your company generated a label to ship this firearm which was used in the commission of a felony, is not to far off either.

 

[walker2713]

You mean the sky is not falling after all?

But, of course they can trace you now. That's intolerable.
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No, but we’re less free today than we were in the past.

I’m not sure what you mean about tracing….since that was always a possibility through the shipping process and credit cards.

Not everyone is capable of navigating the computer process to generate shipping labels.

The left appears to increasingly find ways to circumvent the requirements of the law and our rights by inducing private entities to do their dirty work for them.

George

 

[urbanrifleman]

That's relatively correct...I believe new protocol is you have to ship firearms via fdl dealers to another ffl location. It was a matter of time when we were no longer permitted to ship to an ffl ourselves and as far as UPS, the fear of sitting on the stand while an attorney asks why your company generated a label to ship this firearm which was used in the commission of a felony, is not to far off either.

I have seen no evidence that you cannot walk a firearm into a UPS hub to ship to a FFL dealer. If I find out differently I will let you know.

 

[urbanrifleman]

After speaking to four different employees all at once at the UPS station it appears that for the most part the original poster is correct. You have to have an approved UPS account to ship firearm parts and you must declare them as firearm parts. If you declare them as firearm parts it is quite possible they will not let you ship them.

I was told that essentially they're treating parts as firearms. Of course I will also tell you that there is mass confusion within UPS as to actually what is actually going on and the employees do not understand it.

 

[Tucker65]

I've been speaking with a UPS sales rep on setting up a shipping account for their new firearms shipping policy. She instructed me that they need a copy of your ffl along with you signing a firearms shipping agreement with them.

She also stated that firearms and firearm parts need to be shipped through separate shipping accounts. Both of those items also need to have scheduled pickups and cannot be dropped off at a UPS hub or store.

I questioned the reasoning behind these regulation changes and she was under the impression that it came from the new ATF regulations that went into effect last month.

She was very nice and helpful it helping me and understood the frustration. She has been working with everyone from small time ffl's like myself to big box stores like Cabelas with the changes and seems to know what she is talking about regarding their shipping changes.

 

[Thud]

What NEW ATF REGULATIONS that went into effect month. That would cause UPS and FEDEX to do this?

 

[urbanrifleman]

What NEW ATF REGULATIONS that went into effect month. That would cause UPS and FEDEX to do this?

The ATF.

The root of the problem most of the time.

Although, the employees I spoke to at UPS seemed to think UPS is very anti gun.

I wonder who the majority stock holders are in UPS ? I bet I could tell you without looking.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Yup! I was right!!! The same two investment groups that appear to have literally bought majority positions in nearly every single American brand.

$20 billion dollars worth of shares in UPS.

You don't need to worry about laws when you simply have enough money to buy literally everything.

 

[Brians356]

I’m not sure what you mean about tracing….since that was always a possibility through the shipping process and credit cards.

Not saying they are taking an intelligent approach, or that this scenario remotely likely to materialize, but putting myself in their paranoid shoes: If someone walks up to the counter with a stolen credit card and ID, ships a firearm, and walks out the door and disappears, he's virtually untraceable. By requiring a physical pickup location, they drive a stake in the ground right there, and (to be fair) have just filtered out 99% of potential fraudsters (again, in their minds).
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