Unanswered .22 hornet questions

[Edad]

Here are some questions I cant find answers to links or direct post answers appreciated.
How do you figure length of pull and cheek weld height?
Pet hornet loads for lilgun and 40 gr soft point pb sierra jacketed bullets and 45 grain pb jacketed.
On a CZ 527 lux in 22 H can you top feed without problems? Or do i need the single shot follower?
Im using lymans m die in my reloading, will i need to factory crimp? Thanks all.

 

[Hal]

Edad

You would have better luck if you split your question and posted one on the reloading section and the stock question in the gunsmithing section.

Do a google search for "stockmakers show and tell" Les Brooks accuratereloading.com.
Les posted how to lay out a stock.

Hal

 

[Edad]

Thanks hal

 

[Edad]

Great info ill try some H110 against the lilgun,ill probably buy one of calhoons single shot followers as well to get closer to lands and grooves. I guess you run what to brung.havin fun figuring it out.

 

[swd]

Cheek height is whatever it takes to look through the scope opticly centered. LOP, your thumb about 1" ahead of the tip of your nose. A little less on a light recoiling gun is o/k too. Around 13-13.2 gr Lil Gun. Depends on what brand of brass. Remington tends to have a little more capacity. The shape of the breech donsn't lend itself to dropping a round in the action and closing the bolt. You'll have to start the bullet nose into the back of the chamber on a 527.

 

[JSH]

Wasn't the issue with feeding, the claw extractor and the rimmed case. Seems like some guys had broken extractors by making it snap over the rim?

Lil gun gave me speed. H110/296 gave me accuracy. Both were usable though.
My silly fun load is a 50-60 grain cast bullet with a little SR 7625. Gives me 1050-1130 fps, as in standard .22rf. Accuracy is sub MOA at 75 yards and under. Easy 1-1 1/2"@ 100.

I have a mix of dies. Lee mandrel, Redding and Hornady.
I like the seating die on Hornady.
Tinkered with primers and still use pistol primers.
The 17Hornet is a different animal and I use rifle primers there.
Jeff

 

[Edad]

I know nothing about the k hornet, what is the process to mod to k hornet,do you use stock hornet brassess ,what about dies? So you bore and then head space at the rim like pistol brass? Is cost reasonable? Need more inputI know nothing.

 

[swd]

You are talking ring height,which is an issue separate from comb height.

In regards to ring height,receiver Make/Model often mechanically dictates what is possible there. CZ bolt's like to get in the way and often preclude a ring height,which jives with the comb,because of bolt handle interference with an ocular.

Ring height and comb height are inter related. Once you have your rings any adjustments from there are going to be with the comb. Either taking the comb down or adding padding or cutting in an adjustable comb to adjust the comb height.

And that being said the averge guy just adjusts himself to see through the scope...

 

[Edad]

Im interested in the hornady new dimension seating die for 22 hornet.does it do a good job eliminating run out? when would i need a seating stem, sold separately.ill be casting my own boolits.

 

[swd]

The OP's question is on finding the proper height for cheek weld. Cheek weld/comb height is about lining your head/eyes up to look naturally through sights/scope

So to answer the OP's question on how to find the correct cheek weld height assuming he's using a scope. After you have chosen your rings and mounted your scope. (assuming the gun functions correctly is a given) The correct comb height for proper cheek weld is when you are looking through the optic center of the scope, meaning there are no shadowed areas in any particular direction. How you get there is by comb modification of some sort or yes by changing stocks.

 

[swd]

I've owned a 527 Lux, a 527 American both in Hornet and rebarreled 3 527's. But I really don't know much about them.

 

[swd]

OMG that's one incredible Hornet!

 

[swd]

Hint
Are you related to F Guffy?

 

[swd]

No apparantly your just as much of a key board jocky as I am this morning LOL.
I'm out.

 

[varmtr]

G'Day Edad.
I would not top feed the 527. As it runs a mauser style extractor, if you top feed then close the bolt you have to force the extractor over the rim. The 527 is designed as a control feed from mag. Hence as you close the bolt the rim slides under the extractor claw and against the bolt face.
In short top feeding will stuff the extractor.

 

[snert]

Here are some questions I cant find answers to links or direct post answers appreciated.
How do you figure length of pull and cheek weld height? (Not an expert on this but I always thought it was from trigger to the rear of stock but am likely wrong)
Pet hornet loads for lilgun and 40 gr soft point pb sierra jacketed bullets and 45 grain pb jacketed. (Lil Gun is popular, but don't ignore 1680.)
On a CZ 527 lux in 22 H can you top feed without problems? Or do i need the single shot follower? (No, it is meant to fed from the mag)
Im using lymans m die in my reloading, will i need to factory crimp? Thanks all. (I personally do not crimp on a hornet. Brass is too thin and as long as you get decent neck tension, no issues.)

I run 12.5 Lil Gun in my K hornet. Back off from that to start and try Remington primers made just for Hornet...I think they are 6 1/2?? Don't recall right now and my stuff is in boxes from moving or I could look.

 

[Hal]

Everything is figured from the trigger and works out from there.

Hal

 

[JSH]

Im interested in the hornady new dimension seating die for 22 hornet.does it do a good job eliminating run out? when would i need a seating stem, sold separately.ill be casting my own boolits.

Opinions are like elbows,everyone has a couple.
I won't say the Hornady die eliminates run out. I have just had my best luck with it across the board on stock chamberings.

Number one thing,IMHO, at least on this case is the expander ball dragging back through the neck. It will do some crazy stuff to necks. This my liking for the Lee mandrel type die.

Cast bullets. I use a Lyman M die to size and bell the case mouth.

All of the old BP type cases 25-20,32-20,38-40, etc have all responded well when given this treatment.
Treat that case mouth like you were loading a cigarette paper, better yet a wet one.

Also keep an eye on what you do to the shoulder. They can be in some odd configurations and angles. Thus the K Hornet fixing somthing that really isn't broke,must makes a more consistent. This also follows the above mentioned BP type cases.

I got throughly ticked at the cartridge some years back. I was trying to make it do what it was not intended for, my fault and not the Hornet. I promptly sold most anything for the Hornet and discarded it until the big mess with the 22rf ammo.
I read and reread a lot of old and new articles. A light came on and we have been friends once again.
I think it is a dandy cartridge as long as you don't ask it to be anymore than it is.
Jeff