Tuner

[gunsandgunsmithing]

On the Ezell tuner is it’s set position held by a set screw?

No, it has three nylon tipped set screws that are left snug against the threads. The tuner is firm to turn and doesn't require tools to adjust. Works great and actually serves more than that singular purpose. I do tuners by phone because there's a lot to cover. Feel free to give me a call and I'll answer all your questions. Thanks Mike Ezell

 

[AlNyhus]

Mike is guiding me through the process with his tuner right now. His willingness to help and a well developed product are good things to have in your corner.

Good shootin' -Al

 

[Bill Norris]

Mike is guiding me through the process with his tuner right now. His willingness to help and a well developed product are good things to have in your corner.

Good shootin' -Al

Mike is as good as they come. Always trying to help.

 

[gpoldblue]

Remember...the 2 MAIN reasons for errant shots is No.1...shooter error
No.2...the wind and a tuner can't compensate for either one.. You can't tune out shooter error or the wind effects.
First,you must determine what caused the errant shot.....it's not always the tune. A tuner can only dampen more or less the swing of the muzzle. A tuner will not put the load back in tune. If the bullet is getting to the end of the barrel too early or too late,a tuner won't change that....the bullet is still getting there too early or too late for whatever reason.....temperature(ambient,barrel,friction)humidity,poor ignition,etc.
Sometimes,tuner adjustments also change POI....so there's a new problem.....barrels don't always vibrate straight up and down especially as they heat up.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Remember...the 2 MAIN reasons for errant shots is No.1...shooter error
No.2...the wind and a tuner can't compensate for either one.. You can't tune out shooter error or the wind effects.
First,you must determine what caused the errant shot.....it's not always the tune. A tuner can only dampen more or less the swing of the muzzle. A tuner will not put the load back in tune. If the bullet is getting to the end of the barrel too early or too late,a tuner won't change that....the bullet is still getting there too early or too late for whatever reason.....temperature(ambient,barrel,friction)humidity,poor ignition,etc.
Sometimes,tuner adjustments also change POI....so there's a new problem.....barrels don't always vibrate straight up and down especially as they heat up.

Well, I agree with number 1 but number 2 is well....I don't know what your logic is with that. Tuners do exactly what you said they don't do. They DO correct exit time with muzzle position, which is what tune is, tuner or not. So yes, they very much will put the gun in tune with the load...to the potential of the load in that rifle. Maybe I'm reading something wrong in your post. If so, I do apologize for that.

I do agree that bbls don't only vibrate vertically. Part of the vibrational oscillation does have a horizontal component. When not in tune, it shows on target clearly. Due to gravity, it is vertically biased and the groups show up as diagonal in shape. Pure horizontal is rare except when wind is the main factor or at least a factor along with tune. IME, there is NO tune condition that can vibrate ONLY horizontally though.

I thought this to be well hashed out and well documented so again, if I misread your post, I do apologize. Otherwise though, I'd be happy to share a lot of data learned doing vibration analysis testing along with years of experience using them to help you understand better what and how tuners do what they do. I don't mean to be condescending at all with this statement but if I read your post as you intend, it's way off base.

 

[gpoldblue]

Well, I agree with number 1 but number 2 is well....I don't know what your logic is with that. Tuners do exactly what you said they don't do. They DO correct exit time with muzzle position, which is what tune is, tuner or not. So yes, they very much will put the gun in tune with the load...to the potential of the load in that rifle. Maybe I'm reading something wrong in your post. If so, I do apologize for that.

I do agree that bbls don't only vibrate vertically. Part of the vibrational oscillation does have a horizontal component. When not in tune, it shows on target clearly. Due to gravity, it is vertically biased and the groups show up as diagonal in shape. Pure horizontal is rare except when wind is the main factor or at least a factor along with tune. IME, there is NO tune condition that can vibrate ONLY horizontally though.

I thought this to be well hashed out and well documented so again, if I misread your post, I do apologize. Otherwise though, I'd be happy to share a lot of data learned doing vibration analysis testing along with years of experience using them to help you understand better what and how tuners do what they do. I don't mean to be condescending at all with this statement but if I read your post as you intend, it's way off base.

Once that bullet leaves the crown,the tuner has done all it can do. It can't compensate for wind past the muzzle or at any distance downrange.....that's why we shoot sighters and do doping. If the the tuner compensated for wind at all distances we wouldn't need sighters or doping... now would we?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Once that bullet leaves the crown,the tuner has done all it can do. It can't compensate for wind past the muzzle or at any distance downrange.....that's why we shoot sighters and do doping. If the the tuner compensated for wind at all distances we wouldn't need sighters or doping... now would we?

Totally agree! So yes, it sounds like I misread what you intended. My apologies.