Trouble with exporter

[fbraun]

I believe you don't know Liseo. He lives in Brazil. He has an exporter that handles the USA part for him and he has the proper people to receive it for him. He is aware of the law and how to properly import it to his country.
He was only wanting to know how to deal with the USA supplier.

Butchlambert
I know Liseo and I've dealt with him before. You must have misunderstood my post as I did not, at any moment, talk about importing. Only talked about US laws and regulations with which he is not aware.

I suggest you re-read what I posted. Perhaps a little slower this time.

 

[butchlambert]

Butchlambert
I know Liseo and I've dealt with him before. You must have misunderstood my post as I did not, at any moment, talk about importing. Only talked about US laws and regulations with which he is not aware.

I suggest you re-read what I posted. Perhaps a little slower this time.

Mr Braun, A lot of rifles are exported to foreign countries legally. I guess I don't understand what you are saying in regards to his situation.

 

[Shynloco]

Mr Braun, A lot of rifles are exported to foreign countries legally. I guess I don't understand what you are saying in regards to his situation.

Butch,
Mr Braun clearly doesn't understand the circumstances of this matter. "Ownership" of a weapon as he tries to put it, has NOTHING to do with the legal notion of "Theft By False Pretenses." That is the "victim" pays money with the understanding/expectation that a certain product will be provided in exchange for money or something of value. And when that money is used for any other purpose (such as buying a house, a car, or anything else of value that benefits not the provider of the funds, but the recipient of the fund, its called "conversion" or Theft. As I outlined in my earlier comments, a civil filing is much easier as DA Offices don't like "across state or country lines" because of the argument over where jurisdiction would be placed. SO forget all the bologna about ownership or a weapon and somebody's FFL. Its about using money that is converted to a use OTHER than it's intended purpose.

Alex

 

[Riesel]

Not touching this with a 10 foot pole.

Might need a longer pole now

 

[M99]

I do not believe they treat American customers that way. As few are willing to bother to export( licenses, fees, etc) we have few alternatives. And they take advantage of it. My friend who lives in Miami even said he thinks it's a matter of disorganization and not of dishonesty. But this has caused a great loss to me.

Therefore, I am no longer interested in knowing the reason for this attitude. If they consider that it is not worth exporting, then they do not accept orders. And dont take the money..

Have you imported firearms or associated materials to Brasil in the past? I am in a business, not firearms related, that does a lot of exporting to Brasil, and I can tell you from long term experience, that exporting to Brasil is very difficult. It is one of the most difficult countries in the world to do exports to because your government goes out of their way to prevent anyone from selling foreign made goods into the country. It is certainly possible and I have done so for about 20 years, but it is a lot of extra document work. If that company you are working with refuses to hand you the material in their own facility in America and let you deal with the export, than they are out and out crooks. Remember also that their is an FFL problem if you are purchasing any firearms from them since you are not a Citizen residing in the State the dealer is located in. But if it is an export problem than they might just be out of their element and not know what to do next.

 

[liseo]

Hi M99

Yes, I already imported from USA since 2007, always with same exporter. I had several custom rifles assembled by well know gunsmiths imported to Brasil and a lot of bullets and riflescopes.

From my side, its alright with the import license. The problem is with the store.

I do not know if they let their own license to export expire or if they have any problems with ATF. And I discovered several shooting partners going through serious problems with them .. They are very disorganized as well, because when I informed that I would arrive in Miami the following week to check my order before packaging, they informed me that they would order my things only in the next end of week. And that only had already in the store the G 35. I asked by writen to cancel all my request. Except for the G35

They are now requiring a return fee even for items they had reported not having placed the order at the distributor at the time I canceled it.
I agreed to pay the restocking fee and requested a list of material that was already ordered when I canceled and are taking time to inform.

What a mess...

 

[butchlambert]

Hi M99

Yes, I already imported from USA since 2007, always with same exporter. I had several custom rifles assembled by well know gunsmiths imported to Brasil and a lot of bullets and riflescopes.

From my side, its alright with the import license. The problem is with the store.

I do not know if they let their own license to export expire or if they have any problems with ATF. And I discovered several shooting partners going through serious problems with them .. They are very disorganized as well, because when I informed that I would arrive in Miami the following week to check my order before packaging, they informed me that they would order my things only in the next end of week. And that only had already in the store the G 35. I asked by writen to cancel all my request. Except for the G35

They are now requiring a return fee even for items they had reported not having placed the order at the distributor at the time I canceled it.
I agreed to pay the restocking fee and requested a list of material that was already ordered when I canceled and are taking time to inform.

What a mess...

Good luck Liseo. Too many people on this forum have jumped to a lot of wrong conclusions.They don't seem to understand that you have done the proper thing as you have done in the past.Your problem is with the place you had dealings with and nothing unlawful.
I think they mean well, but need to fully read a post before posting an opinion.

 

[liseo]

Thanks Butch.

Maybe because my English is not very clear, has not been able to convey what is happening. But anyway, I am grateful to those who understood correctly and tried to help me

 

[M99]

Thanks Butch.

Maybe because my English is not very clear, has not been able to convey what is happening. But anyway, I am grateful to those who understood correctly and tried to help me

Your English is just fine and easy to understand. It does seem like the company you are dealing with have become crooks for some reason. Why not post their name so others might be able to avoid them in the future if they stay in business.

 

[liseo]

Your English is just fine and easy to understand. It does seem like the company you are dealing with have become crooks for some reason. Why not post their name so others might be able to avoid them in the future if they stay in business.

Here in Brazil a lot of people are already aware of what is happening. I believe that this problem is only with foreigners.
Since we are still trying to reach a solution to the problem, I am giving the benefit of the doubt on their behalf. If it is not resolved, I will inform the name of the company to everyone.
I think it's different for US customers.

 

[rardoin]

Liseo, I commend you for not posting the name of the vendor in question until you come to a resolution. If you did publish their name it could destroy any rapport you may have with that company and further complicate your issue.

 

[Gun Smith]

I hope you get this ironed out liseo. A friend of mine in Brazil has had the same experience with a gun shop in Miami. Shop was sold to some new crowd, and his A5 Browning, which he ordered thru the original owner had gone missing for a couple of years. The current shop owners located it somewhere in inventory, and contacted him, saying they found it, and now they want $200 for a "storage fee" in addition to the price of the gun. My friend had dealt with the original owner many times before with no problems.

 

[JRS]

Liseo, I commend you for not posting the name of the vendor in question until you come to a resolution. If you did publish their name it could destroy any rapport you may have with that company and further complicate your issue.

je suis d'accord

 

[ebb]

I hope this all works out for you Liseo. I have had a gunsmith screw me around, and I sure didn't like it. to have it happen so far from home and be able to do nothing about it is terrible.

 

[Lois]

Hi Liseo, can you tell us the name of this store in Miami?

 

[liseo]

Lois

I'd rather not quote while we're still trying to find a solution. If we do not find a solution, I will send in PMs to anyone who asks.

 

[VaRandy]

Liseo
As a non resident alien you are NOT the defacto owner of these weapons as ATF regulations prohibit foreign persons from owning and possessing weapons and ammunition on US soil . The FFL owns these weapons until the export is authorized by the US State Department. You cannot send anyone to look the weapons because the FFL does not have to answer any questions reguarding these two weapons. Where exports are concerned, all transactions are based on trust. Trust from the part of the importer to pre-pay.

At best, you may have motive for a civil suit. But that would mean hiring an attorney. Nonetheless the attorney would require copies of your import documents and the amount stated on these would have to be exactly what you are claiming you paid for the weapons.

The information above is based on experience. We are a US State Department registered manufacturer and exporter as well as an FFL and do this for a living.

Good luck.

Tell the ISSIS enclaves and gang bangers from central america their guns are illegal. Maybe he would do better to let them handle the transaction as they seem to be off limits for prosecution.

 

[liseo]

I have a specific question about two rifles. I have two custom rifles set up by a Texas gunsmith. I paid the full amount for the weapons (part a friend paid and part the store charged my card and sent it to the ***gunsmith because it does not work with a credit card) and asked to be sent to the store in question when ready, which would charge a 20% commission to do the export.
Due to the problems they caused me, I informed them that I would no longer import them and asked to send them to another store (with FFL), and then decide what I would do. I point out that this other store agreed to receive my rifles).
Now, instead of sending it to the store I indicated, they want to send it back to the gunsmith and still charge a restocking fee. But I remember they did not take a penny out of their pockets to mount the guns, it was all paid for with my money. I agree and I think it would be fair to pay a storage fee and shipping charges, but 25% of the value of the gun seems more to me with theft.

If all the harm they have done to me is not enough, they are still entitled to charge for something they have not done.

 

[timeout]

Lois

I'd rather not quote while we're still trying to find a solution. If we do not find a solution, I will send in PMs to anyone who asks.

You have class sir. I sure hope that you can get this resolved.

 

[liseo]

I'm so angry that I forgot to ask the question.

The two rifles could be sent to another store as long as it has FFL valid, or under US law they can only be returned to the gunsmith who assembled the rifles?