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Trim to chamber length?

I posted this at a general reloading site but thought that it might be good to also post it at a site that is more geared toward precision handloading as well. I read the following article from Varmint Al's reloading page and it made sense to me. I just bought 500 pieces of brass and have already trimmed about 200 of them to minimum length. It just so happens that based on my chamber depth as measured according to the procedure in the article, minimum length is about .015" shorter than my chamber will accomodate. If you were me, would you finish trimming all the brass to the same minimum length or would you trim to chamber length on the remaining brass and use the minimum length stuff for plinking and save the chamber length stuff for serious accuracy work?

From the following link... http://www.varmintal.com/arelo.htm

MEASURE THE CHAMBER LENGTH.... Here is another accuracy aid. I purchased the Sinclair case length measuring plugs for .17, .224, and 6mm calibers. These are very simple steel cylinders turned to the bullet diameter, leaving a rim slightly less than the case neck OD. To use, you merely drill through the primer pocket,so you can later push the plug out) on an expendable cartridge case and neck size it. Trim the case length about 0.100 inch short so the case mouth will not touch the rim of the plug gauge. Insert the Sinclair plug gauge as if it were a bullet, leaving it long and then chamber the case. The plug will be pushed deeper into the case neck and when you extract it, you can measure the chamber's actual length with a dial caliper. I usually find that the factory recommendations for case length leave a 0.050 inch to 0.070 inch gap between the end of the case and the actual length of the chamber. Click here to see a drawing. This is a factory safety concern and you can get high pressures by forcing a long case into a short chamber. The factory wants to be on the safe side. But like everything else, if you want the best accuracy, you can minimize this gap down to 0.005 inch and still be safe. You will get better accuracy and find that you can use much longer necks, in most cases, than the factory recommendations specify. The extra case length will better allow you to load the bullet farther out to touch the lands. I have found that, typically, factory .243 Win brass, is already 0.050 inch too short and there is no way that I can think of to lengthen it. I don't trim to the lengths specified in the loading manuals, but use my measurements as a guide. All of this sounds like a lot of trouble to go through compared to walking into a store and asking for a box of 30-30's, but it makes a big difference in the confidence level of your accuracy potential. If you have a lathe, the dimensions of the plug gauges are given for a few rifle calibers on my Mini Lathe Page. They are very easy to make. Check out Fred's page for more info on making tight-neck and long-neck brass.
 
MAX brass length should be .010 shorter than your actual chamber and don't let it get too long as pressures will spike dramatically if they do.---Mike Ezell
 
ctrout: I'm completely in agreement with the previous posting: ideally case length should be kept at .010" shorter than actual chamber length. Just "cruised" thru the "varmintal" web-site: seems like a wealth of info & will spend more time there. The loading manual "advice" of "trim .010" shorter than max case length" is probably aimed at those who will do numerous reloadings & never check for case stretching, and for them, it's good advice. One of my 222s' has an actual chamber length, as measured w/ the Sinclair gauge) of 1.742", so if I trim to 1.690", I'm creating a gap of .052" in front of the case mouth, where a ring of carbon will build-up, as I can see with my "Hawkeye" borescope. When I spec dimensions for the purchase of a new Pacific chambering reamer, along with chamber neck diameter, and freebore length, I also specify the chamber length & it's always .010" longer than max case length. For a recent 223 reamer chamber length is 1.770" & case length is kept at 1.760". After firing the front of the chamber is checked with the "Hawkeye", and it is completely free of any carbon. So,finally, sorry I tend to ramble on), use the max case length as your trim-to-length, and there will be no problems.
 
ctrout: Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. When I mention chamber length, many tell me they are aware of what it measures in their chamber, since they use the "Stoney Point/ Hornady" headspace gauge, or they know exactly how much "jump" their seated bullet has off the lands. Chamber O.A.L. is a dimension few pay any attention to, another reason I am so impressed with the Varmintal web-site. Been at this "game" since 1960, and still learning, but that's what keeps it so interesting.:)
 
The danger lies with those who don't bother to check their brass length after several sizings & firings; brass grows more for the first few cycles, then stabilizes somewhat. Some cartridge profiles & brands of brass are more prone to stretch than others, too.

If your "chamber length" as measured by the procedure outlined in the Varminter article is followed,I do it for all new barrels) is unknown, you risk running into overpressure conditions if your brass grows beyond the length your chamber will accommodate. You might find cases your bolt won't close on before you run into pressures that enter the danger zone, if you're lucky.

If you stick to more common cartridges & chambers you can mostly learn to trust the published info out there. If you prefer wildcats or custom cartridges & reamer profiles, you need to be more astute by knowing the dimensions of everything in the system.

.010" under maximum case length is a good rule of thumb. If you're diligent in measuring & trimming brass you can get by with somewhat less. Depending on your shooting habits & preferences, you may wish to trim cases a bit shorter if you find you can do so without compromising bullet alignment. I run most of my brass around .010" - .015" short of the dimension I get with the Sinclair case length gauges; shorter for gas guns, longer in bolt guns for long range.
 

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