Titanium Actions

[MahtewsSB]

Starting to plan out a 28 Nosler build for big game hunting and looking to keep it under 12# for packing purposes. Considering a titanium action to save on weight and was looking for some reviews/experiences with the pierce engineering titanium actions. The goal is under 11# fully outfitted but 12# is absolute max.

Am open to other options as well so feel free to mention others and any experiences.

 

[Shooter264]

I'd look at the Lone Peak Arms titanium if I were you. I've been around 3 pierce titaniums and 2 of them had issues. I've heard really good things about the Lone Peak and actually have one on order

 

[MahtewsSB]

I'd look at the Lone Peak Arms titanium if I were you. I've been around 3 pierce titaniums and 2 of them had issues. I've heard really good things about the Lone Peak and actually have one on order

Oh boy that won't cut it if they have issues that regularly. I'll look into the Lone Peak Arms, thanks.

 

[wapiti25]

I'm using a Rem Titanium action. I like it but they are not as smooth as chrome moly. my rifle is 8lbs with a scope, Krieger barrel in 7 Rem Mag.

 

[RDavies]

I'd look at the Lone Peak Arms titanium if I were you. I've been around 3 pierce titaniums and 2 of them had issues. I've heard really good things about the Lone Peak and actually have one on order

What sort of issues did they have?

 

[LHSmith]

What sort of issues did they have?

+1......that's puzzling because a F-Class, SR BR competitor/gunsmith I respect made the statement after the recent Berger SW Nat's claims that Pierce actions would be his number 1 choice for a build today.

 

[RDavies]

+1......that's puzzling because a F-Class, SR BR competitor/gunsmith I respect made the statement after the recent Berger SW Nat's claims that Pierce actions would be his number 1 choice for a build today.

Well that's good to hear, my Pierce Ti action is due to arrive soon.

 

[JRS]

You should have no problem reaching an 11 pound limit without having to resort to titanium.

 

[alf]

Starting to plan out a 28 Nosler build for big game hunting and looking to keep it under 12# for packing purposes. Considering a titanium action to save on weight and was looking for some reviews/experiences with the pierce engineering titanium actions. The goal is under 11# fully outfitted but 12# is absolute max.

Absolutely no reason to go with a Ti action with that weight limit.

I built a 6.5x284 last year with a #3B 26" Bartlein, which isn't too far from a Rem Varmint contour, on a regular L/A 700 S/S action, in a 34 oz McMillan, with 38 ozs of scope/ring/& bases on top, and still was at 10lbs-10ozs bare.

Personally, I'd try for 9 lbs or less all up, then the Ti comes into play.

 

[Shooter264]

They had issues with sticky bolt lift with mild loads. Thought it was just the titanium and spoke to a couple highly respected smiths and they expressed having the same issues with Pierce but not Lone Peak. I've owned at least 7 Pierce steel actions and most all of them were awesome. The last couple had small issues like the threads needing chased for the action screws and rings. Not things I expect to do with a $1000 action. I have since moved on to Defiance and couldn't be happier.

 

[MahtewsSB]

Absolutely no reason to go with a Ti action with that weight limit.

I built a 6.5x284 last year with a #3B 26" Bartlein, which isn't too far from a Rem Varmint contour, on a regular L/A 700 S/S action, in a 34 oz McMillan, with 38 ozs of scope/ring/& bases on top, and still was at 10lbs-10ozs bare.

Personally, I'd try for 9 lbs or less all up, then the Ti comes into play.

These are the components I was looking at.

Manners EH1A [2lb 11oz]
Titanium action [1lb 5oz]
Badger Lapua cip mag system [8.6oz]
Krieger fluted 26" #5 contour [3lb 12 oz]
Atacr [2lb 7oz]
T3 Muzzle brake [3.5oz]
Timney Calvin Elite [2oz]
Seekins rings [4.7 oz]
NF base [4oz]
Total: 11lb 10oz
10lb 10z w/ nonadjustable stock

A steel action puts it over 12# as I would prefer the adjustable cheekpiece stock. Could shed the mag system but I really don't like internal mags they are a pain to load.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

if only i could get customers willing to pack a 12# rifle. Most times the goal is 8#. If you dropped the mag, went sporter barrel (save weight on stock and barrel) go with leupold scope and some type of lightweight rings/bases you could be under 8# with way less money and the rifle would actually make a second hunting trip or more

 

[MahtewsSB]

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if only i could get customers willing to pack a 12# rifle. Most times the goal is 8#. If you dropped the mag, went sporter barrel (save weight on stock and barrel) go with leupold scope and some type of lightweight rings/bases you could be under 8# with way less money and the rifle would actually make a second hunting trip or more

A #5 contour is the smallest that Krieger will bore 7mm I believe so that would be as small as I could go on that.

 

[tightneck]

Stiff bolt lift is a real possibility with any Titanium action. The reason is stretch under peak pressure. The SS and CM used in action production today stretches around .0005" upon firing, where Titanium will stretch closer to .003". Just think about what happens as the case stretches that additional .0025", and the chamber shoulder pulls the elongated case back against the boltface as the action relaxes...

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Stiff bolt lift is a real possibility with any Titanium action. The reason is stretch under peak pressure. The SS and CM used in action production today stretches around .0005" upon firing, where Titanium will stretch closer to .003". Just think about what happens as the case stretches that additional .0025", and the chamber shoulder pulls the elongated case back against the boltface as the action relaxes...

Yep, one of the overlooked downsides of Ti. You'll see heavy bolt lift early.

 

[MahtewsSB]

I am a huge fan of krieger barrels, and they are usually my #1 choice. That said, they flute after the barrel is rifled, and they may not even flute a #5. I prefer fluting to be done before the rifling/lapping process, so for fluted barrels I go to Brux and Rock Creek. A fluted #4 is fine in the 28 nosler. Here one I just finished, http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/28-nosler-build.3896846/

Yep, one of the overlooked downsides of Ti. You'll see heavy bolt lift early.

Well it looks like the Ti idea is a wash. Probably end up going with a Stiller Predator instead.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Kelbly atlas is a very good choice

 

[1KBR]

I have a Pierce action waiting to be put together and am thinking about what you say about the stretching. I don't usual run much pressure , I was figuring on around 60000psi in 7 Rem Mag. What sort of pressures does it take to start these Pierce titanium actions stretching?

 

[tightneck]

I have a Pierce action waiting to be put together and am thinking about what you say about the stretching. I don't usual run much pressure , I was figuring on around 60000psi in 7 Rem Mag. What sort of pressures does it take to start these Pierce titanium actions stretching?

60K isn't what I'd call low pressure. You certainly can adjust loads to lessen the stretch effect, and let the rifle tell you what it wants. Most folks with titaniums just learn to live with the hard lift. Keep the lugs lubed well, and don't worry about it. For a non dangerous game rifle, it will be fine.

 

[rpierce]

I will have a half dozen 28 noslers instock in a few weeks. They will range from #5 contours w manners stocks weighing 7.5 lbs w out scope to fluted senderos weighing 9 lbs. All with stillers and brux barrels.