I was at the club the other day shooting and was talking with a fellow member that i have known. Their is a company up the street from me that is called X-TREME shooting i think, and they make 2 stage triggers and are supposed to be good. We started talking about actions when i told him that i ordered an action from AJ at Bighorn actions. He told me to look into an action that this company was making out of titanium that they where real nice. Not interested in another action now but wanted to know the pro,s and con,s of this material. I know Remington did or still does made an action in this and wondered why you do not see more of them. I am assuming that the cost is much higher for the material and i know that it is lighter in weight and that is the reason people do not buy them much. Are their draw backs to these type actions and do they have their problems?
Titanium actions
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Tiodize in Huntington Beach, CA offer a PTFE (Teflon) impregnated titanium anodizing that provides excellent wear resistance and lubricity. Coating the bolt would eliminate the galling problem of titanium-titanium sliding contact.
jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
I worked with alot of titanium,it is real strong.Much stronger than steel and lighter.It is exotic to say the least as titanium was a govt restricted metal for years in bulk.I have made firing pins and muzzle brakes out of the stuff and other things too.I love the stuff ,but it is harder to machine due to its toughness. Tapping it requires methylene chloride to keep it cool.Without it,the tap will shurly break,with it,it taps like butter.
Satterlee arms also make a titanium mauser 98 action - at a price...
Dan
Remington indeed used to carry a line of Ti hunting rifles. They had a few different names over the years. The last was the Alaskan Ti I beleive? There were a little over 5,000 of them made in about a 10 year period. Made to Remington specs for the 700 SA and LA. Still sought after in the aftermarket to use as a base for a lightweight hunting rifle build.
They were discontinued about 2-3 years ago.
Our receivers are Remington footprint but have several improvements like a side button bolt release, a slightly tighter bolt, a partially closed up ejection port for receiver stiffness, and one diameter all the way back, like most aftermarket receiver makers. The rails are Ti as well as the recoil lug. The bolt is 4140 and heat treated. Using a Ti bolt on Ti is problematic. The Remingtonn receivers were not coated, ours are hard anodized as well as the bolt having a Nickel alloy coating and ceracoat as well.
Our receivers have bolts lapped before coatings, so are very smooth. Also since there is no after machining heat treat process, the receivers are dead true.
Tom Myers
Remington indeed used to carry a line of Ti hunting rifles. They had a few different names over the years. The last was the Alaskan Ti I beleive? There were a little over 5,000 of them made in about a 10 year period. Made to Remington specs for the 700 SA and LA. Still sought after in the aftermarket to use as a base for a lightweight hunting rifle build.
They were discontinued about 2-3 years ago.
Our receivers are Remington footprint but have several improvements like a side button bolt release, a slightly tighter bolt, a partially closed up ejection port for receiver stiffness, and one diameter all the way back, like most aftermarket receiver makers. The rails are Ti as well as the recoil lug. The bolt is 4140 and heat treated. Using a Ti bolt on Ti is problematic. The Remingtonn receivers were not coated, ours are hard anodized as well as the bolt having a Nickel alloy coating and ceracoat as well.
Our receivers have bolts lapped before coatings, so are very smooth. Also since there is no after machining heat treat process, the receivers are dead true.
Tom Myers
butchlambert
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Other than the whiz bang factor and a couple oz. savings in weight, what does titanium offer us?
Butch
Butch
No whizbang factor. It's just that the gun industry is a few decades behind the times. Ti is not a cure all. Titanium is the most plentiful metal in the surface of the earth and is 45% lighter than steel. The only problem is that there isn't one molecule of it in North America, so it's expensive.
It's strong, light and they have been making the majority of aircraft from it for years.
If you are trying to make a lightweight rifle build, you've got lightweight stocks, carbon fiber wrapped barrels and a heavy receiver. The answer isn't swiss cheesing the receiver to a point of making it unsafe. It is making it out of alternative metals. Colt is making parts of the 240 machine gune from Ti now as well as many other gun parts. Remington's new MSR .338 has a Ti receiver. There is no other realized benefit other than some weight savings. It won't make you shoot any more X's.
BTW, weight savings on a SA is 8oz.
Tom
It's strong, light and they have been making the majority of aircraft from it for years.
If you are trying to make a lightweight rifle build, you've got lightweight stocks, carbon fiber wrapped barrels and a heavy receiver. The answer isn't swiss cheesing the receiver to a point of making it unsafe. It is making it out of alternative metals. Colt is making parts of the 240 machine gune from Ti now as well as many other gun parts. Remington's new MSR .338 has a Ti receiver. There is no other realized benefit other than some weight savings. It won't make you shoot any more X's.
BTW, weight savings on a SA is 8oz.
Tom
ctmyers said:
Tom,
Aluminum is the most plentiful metal and is still the most common constituent in most aircraft. Titanium is used in critical components where the strength of lower grade steel is needed and weight is a factor. Ti has the highest specific strength (strength to weight ratio) of any metal and can reach ~160 ksi tensile strength in the 6Al4V alloy. Alloy steels such as AISI 4350 can reach ~285 ksi tensile strength with proper heat treatment. Titanium alloys also have excellent elevated temperature characteristics. Titanium is relatively plentiful but the cost is associated with the way it is processed. Aluminum was much more expensive before cost effective processing was developed.
Understood Steve,
Have been making aircraft parts for 30 years in 2 different business I own. I was referring to critical strength parts.
I was discounting aluminum, as you would not build a complete receiver out of aluminum especially in the wear parts.
Oh and BTW, there are specific Ti alloys that are stronger than that but are not used everyday and come from only specific mills.
Have been making aircraft parts for 30 years in 2 different business I own. I was referring to critical strength parts.
I was discounting aluminum, as you would not build a complete receiver out of aluminum especially in the wear parts.
Oh and BTW, there are specific Ti alloys that are stronger than that but are not used everyday and come from only specific mills.
Yes, just as there are 18% nickel maraging steels that reach 350 ksi but are considered pretty exotic.
butchlambert
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The Kodiak receiver is aluminum with a heat treated steel insert for the threads and lug abutments. I doubt that it is a couple oz. heavier than the TI receiver.
Would anybody know the price difference in the 2 receivers?
Butch
Would anybody know the price difference in the 2 receivers?
Butch
Thanks Butch.......they didnt know the Kelbly actions had steel inserts in the wear and torque areas....I forgot that lots-0-floks have never had/seen one of em.....you shure have....I dont know what a Titanium action wuld cost ...but a Kodiak is aprox 1,100 $$ and would accept any Panda-Grizzly-etc thread.....and work as slik as owl snot....Just a guess but the Ti shuld be twice the price.....the cost saving would pay for the bbl and stock....Roger
Actually the costs are almost the same. The Ti's are $1,350 with a Ti rail and a Ti recoil lug. All the Kelbly's recievers are good products. I know them well and own several. Ours however are Rem footprint and fit any chassis stock system or bedding block system.
Different stroke for different folks. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I have Panda #100 and have won 3 1,000yd state championships with it at Camp Perry. Don't know I would want to take that beatiful aluminum action and drag it on a sniper/tactical match or after a trophy Dall ram?
Different stroke for different folks. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I have Panda #100 and have won 3 1,000yd state championships with it at Camp Perry. Don't know I would want to take that beatiful aluminum action and drag it on a sniper/tactical match or after a trophy Dall ram?
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