Titanium action bolt question.

[Shrek]

In the pursuit of the lightest possible action for a mountain rifle project I have an idea that I'd like to know if it can be done or if there's a technical reason it can't. I really don't care if I can get close in weight by lightening an action another way or the savage head is inferior somehow as that is not the point.
My idea is to make the bolt body and cocking piece out of titanium also and use a steel Savage style head on it. Once coated the stickiness of the titanium on titanium should be relieved and since the head is really the only part on the bolt that holds the pressure I can see no reason it shouldn't work. Spiral flute the body as you would any steel body and you have a significantly lighter bolt. Is there something I'm not seeing ?

 

[swd]

The only thing I could see is you might need a steel back end for the cocking cam. I have pondered the same quetions and ideas myself.

 

[butchlambert]

I have a BR receiver with an aluminum bolt body. The bolt head is steel.

 

[Shrek]

Thanks Butch , you are basically confirming what I thought.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Pierce offerrs their Ti action with a solid Ti bolt now as well.

 

[butchlambert]

Pierce offerrs their Ti action with a solid Ti bolt now as well.

How much lighter is it than my Pierce bolt in my Ti receiver?

 

[butchlambert]

In the pursuit of the lightest possible action for a mountain rifle project I have an idea that I'd like to know if it can be done or if there's a technical reason it can't. I really don't care if I can get close in weight by lightening an action another way or the savage head is inferior somehow as that is not the point.
My idea is to make the bolt body and cocking piece out of titanium also and use a steel Savage style head on it. Once coated the stickiness of the titanium on titanium should be relieved and since the head is really the only part on the bolt that holds the pressure I can see no reason it shouldn't work. Spiral flute the body as you would any steel body and you have a significantly lighter bolt. Is there something I'm not seeing ?

What stock and barrel are you going to use? Will it be ADL or BDL?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I think its about 4 oz. Butch. They also found a surface hardening treatment for the Ti. I have handled the all TI action and its ridiculously light. I think the LA is 16oz.

 

[butchlambert]

I think its about 4 oz. Butch. They also found a surface hardening treatment for the Ti. I have handled the all TI action and its ridiculously light. I think the LA is 16oz.

16oz is correct on the receiver. What is the latest greatest metal treatment. Stuart Satterlie has been making Ti mauser clones for years and said Balzers PVD was best. I visited with them and they said send it. When it got there they said they didn't do firearms anymore and I ate a very big insured shipping bill. This also happened at a place in PA. They refused as I didn't have a FFL. That was BS and they knew it, but said it was their policy. John told me to get it cerrokoted and I did. Brown Precision made me a custom Kevlar stock for it. It is a 280 Ackley.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

16oz is correct on the receiver. What is the latest greatest metal treatment. Stuart Satterlie has been making Ti mauser clones for years and said Balzers PVD was best. I visited with them and they said send it. When it got there they said they didn't do firearms anymore and I ate a very big insured shipping bill. This also happened at a place in PA. They refused as I didn't have a FFL. That was BS and they knew it, but said it was their policy. John told me to get it cerrokoted and I did. Brown Precision made me a custom Kevlar stock for it. It is a 280 Ackley.

I don't know the name of the process. Jim just got the first batch of bolts back. Sounded like he was happy with it.

 

[Shrek]

I didn't know Pierce was making an all Ti bolt ! I will have to check it out. I have a 6.5 saum reamer that is optimized for the Wyatts magazine box and 150gr Matrix VLD's. Probably a light sendaro proof carbon wrapped barrel in an ultralight GPI stock. Topped with a 3.5-18x44 swarovski Z5. I should have plenty of energy left when I run out of dial at about 800 yards. That's more range than I'm likely to ever use on an animal. I need to get my house rehabbed enough to move in and build a shop to set up my lathe. Sooo many more wants than I've got gots at the moment !

 

[Shrek]

BDL with PTG aluminum bottom metal. The deep plate one for an extra round to make them run faster when I've missed with the first round , second round , third round....

 

[butchlambert]

Dave, I think there are better choices that carbon wrapped barrels. They are also much harder to shoot accurately in the off hand mode. 800yds. I'm out of this conversation if you are using this to hunt at 800yds. My opinion only, it ain't ethical.

My Ti rifle

Do you have a target weight?

 

[Shrek]

I have no set target weight. I want it light but I want to be able to shoot well with it also. I don't really plan to hunt long range but I have no problem with it if you're capable. My friends hunt out to a mile plus but that's not what I want to do.

 

[Shrek]

This rifle is for a crazy plan to try a Montana unlimited HD sheep hunt. Chances of success are terribly low. It's more like armed camping in grizzly country with a sheep tag in pocket than really hunting with a plan for success.

 

[mr45man]

This rifle is for a crazy plan to try a Montana unlimited HD sheep hunt. Chances of success are terribly low. It's more like armed camping in grizzly country with a sheep tag in pocket than really hunting with a plan for success.

This rifle is for a crazy plan to try a Montana unlimited HD sheep hunt. Chances of success are terribly low. It's more like armed camping in grizzly country with a sheep tag in pocket than really hunting with a plan for success.

These were relocated in eastern AZ,1st time i have seen them in the white mountains was last week.

 

[Shrek]

Cool to see they're expanding the range. Where I want to go I'd be happy to see a bunch of ewes and a banana ram much less a legal ram.

 

[Hal]

Have you checked out NULA's rifles. It's hard to beat their weight.

Hal

 

[Shrek]

This is a project for me. I've bought a lathe and as soon as I can build a shop at my new house I'll be setting up and teaching myself to use it. I'd rather spend $6000 to build my own than $2000 to buy one built. It's about the journey not the destination.

 

[billlarson]

This is a project for me. I've bought a lathe and as soon as I can build a shop at my new house I'll be setting up and teaching myself to use it. I'd rather spend $6000 to build my own than $2000 to buy one built. It's about the journey not the destination.

Have a good time on your trip...........