tipping...without trim, still a benefit ?

[6bra1k]

i am considering tipping my berger 300 338's.
specifically for 2000 yards.
if i tip only will i see a benefit with the bergers(hybrid otm tactical, #33109)
posting elsewhere also....competition or big bore)
thanks

 

[WIB3]

The benefits of lightly trimming is it gives you the ability to so how uniformly the bullet jacket pointed up. I sort my Benchrest bullets based on this uniformity before lightly pointing. When I say lightly I mean the weight of the press handle is enough.

 

[moondog]

I shoot the 300 OTMs and my tips are not consistent at all! I do point and trim them for consistency. You need to be very carefull and not get over zealous pointing them. You CAN make them worse. I shoot mine at what I consider elr, 850 out to 2100. I've tested tipped/trimmed against un touched at distance. It makes a significant difference in my experience. But, inside 1000 I think you would be hard pressed to see anything. Have not done tipping alone to see. Can't confirm, but I'm betting if you sort them, you can get the consistency your looking for. They're just kinda pricey to have a culled pile that I would only shoot close. When you go long, consistency in everything is important, including the bugger picker on the trigger.

 

[WIB3]

Here is my own bone head mistake of this past season. One un-tipped got into the record 10. I never discovered it until the target came back. Bet you can tell which one it was.

 

[lawrence97]

i am considering tipping my berger 300 338's.
specifically for 2000 yards.
if i tip only will i see a benefit with the bergers(hybrid otm tactical, #33109)
posting elsewhere also....competition or big bore)
thanks

You should test for yourself to confirm if there is a benefit or not at the distance you are shooting them. Try testing some just sorted by length, some just tipped/sorted by length and some trimmed/tipped/sorted at the intended distance.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Purpose of trimming is to make the bullets the same length. Now you have made the metplats all different so by pointing you make them the same. I think the processes go hand in hand.

 

[3Sigma]

@JEFFPPC - This makes sense to uniform the exterior shape for the most consistent BC.

I'm just getting started in long range past 1000 yards with a 338 Edge. I understand the significance of making the bullet drag coefficient consistent for each shot.

My question is, when is it more economical or effective to buy lathe turned solids? When a 300 gr OTM is $1.15 each, and after sorting you get a 85% yield (SWAG), that is now $1.35 each. Now you need a trimming and tipping setup, for what, another $500?

All this versus a Cutting Edge bullet at approx. $1.50 each?

If the Bergers are more precise, then I get it, but I am curious.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Only one way to find out. Do it and test, then repeat test to verify.

 

[moondog]

I've tried a few solids, not 338s, and was never impressed with the accuracy

 

[6bra1k]

@JEFFPPC - This makes sense to uniform the exterior shape for the most consistent BC.

I'm just getting started in long range past 1000 yards with a 338 Edge. I understand the significance of making the bullet drag coefficient consistent for each shot.

My question is, when is it more economical or effective to buy lathe turned solids? When a 300 gr OTM is $1.15 each, and after sorting you get a 85% yield (SWAG), that is now $1.35 each. Now you need a trimming and tipping setup, for what, another $500?

All this versus a Cutting Edge bullet at approx. $1.50 each?

If the Bergers are more precise, then I get it, but I am curious.

the issue is not at 1000 yards but our past 2000 yards
and my limited use is you need your chamber cut based on the solid you are going to use.
i could not get solids to work in a chamber cut for jacketed bullets.

 

[6bra1k]

I've tried a few solids, not 338s, and was never impressed with the accuracy

in king of 2mile, well over 95% of the shooters are doing solids

 

[moondog]

in king of 2mile, well over 95% of the shooters are doing solids

Just sharing my experience, haven't seen one benchrest record set with solids either

 

[6bra1k]

Just sharing my experience, haven't seen one benchrest record set with solids either

ok duh... ko2 is NOT BENCHREST,

 

[PhilKeil]

I shoot the 300 OTMs and my tips are not consistent at all! I do point and trim them for consistency. You need to be very carefull and not get over zealous pointing them. You CAN make them worse. I shoot mine at what I consider elr, 850 out to 2100. I've tested tipped/trimmed against un touched at distance. It makes a significant difference in my experience. But, inside 1000 I think you would be hard pressed to see anything. Have not done tipping alone to see. Can't confirm, but I'm betting if you sort them, you can get the consistency your looking for. They're just kinda pricey to have a culled pile that I would only shoot close. When you go long, consistency in everything is important, including the bugger picker on the trigger.

Not to highjack thread but could you explain a little more what would make them worse?
thanks

 

[moondog]

If you get over zealous with the tipping, you can create a bulge that's hard to see. They WILL shoot worse.. A lot of people try to completely close the Meplat. No bueno! Some will close up, some will be more open. Sorting before the process helps. I tip, trim, and re-tip.

 

[WIB3]

If done correctly, tipping and trimming will increase the BC of your Bullet. That is what the original question was about. Shooting at ELR distances where the bullet does subsonic is a completely different issue. I have never shot that distance but I would be asking Brian Litz for information. He is the guru when it comes to that information. Those were custom 103’s which I made, 9 were trimmed and tipped and 1 was not.

 

[PhilKeil]

If you get over zealous with the tipping, you can create a bulge that's hard to see. They WILL shoot worse.. A lot of people try to completely close the Meplat. No bueno! Some will close up, some will be more open. Sorting before the process helps. I tip, trim, and re-tip.

thank you

 

[1shot]

The method I have been using since Whidden first came out with his pointing die is as follows.
1. Sort into groups.
2. Trim to the length of the shortest group
3. Re-point the now equal length bullets