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Timing an action

I have seen several people mention having thier actions timed...what does this mean and what benefits does it give...i have noticed that it seems to be with savage actions in particular...does this also get done to other actions...thnx for your help
 
It does happen with remingtons when the bolt handle isnt in quite the right place and primary extraction becomes the issue. It basically can cause hard extraction even with factory loads so they remove the handle and correct the relationship of the camming action.On the savage I believe they mill a different profile on the cam. Truing is squaring the bolt lug abutments and cutting lightly on the bolt lugs to square them up and then they true the face of the bolt. Then they cut a whisker off the front of the reciever and correct the barrel thread so the barrel can screw on squarely.
 
In addition....

I was going to type an answer out, but heck, just read this thread

http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?84430-Anyone-use-the-roller-bearing-on-their-2-lug-BAT-bolt

The one disagreement that I have is that there should be cock-on-close equal to the depth of the shallow notch that the cocking piece rides in when the bolt handle is in the full open position. It can then descend by that much.

I just went through all this because I (had to) acquire a new bolt, trigger and trigger hanger at the same time.
 
IMO one of the best at this is Jim Borden. Very much a perfectionist at his builds and I'm a VERY happy customer of his. Eric in DL
 
Can someone explain this alittle simpler. I am somewhat confused.
 
There are a couple of situations that can be described as requiring proper timing in an action. The most common is when, in the the bolt's cycle, the cocking piece engages the trigger. If it is too early, there is cock on closing (Some of the work of cocking is done at the end of the forward movement of the bolt, increasing the effort required to operate it.), and more effort required to cycle the bolt, and if it is too late, striker fall is decreased, reducing the amount of energy with which the primer is struck, and impact on the trigger mechanism is increased.

Adjustments to this aspect of action timing may require adjustment of the cocking piece's position on the firing pin (in cases where there is such a provision, usually by a threaded connection), or modification of the cocking piece, or in the case of actions that have them, adjustment of, or switching the trigger hanger for one that positions the trigger in a more satisfactory location within the action.

Another relationship that can require attention is the location of the bolt handle relative to the locking lugs. If the handle is not properly located, the lugs may still be engaging flat portion of the lug abutments at the point that the primary extraction cam engages, causing binding, or if too far the other way, the lugs will not be fully onto their abutments when the bolt is at the bottom of its slot in the action body.

There is also the matter of the handle's position fore and aft, on the bolt, which if incorrect can cause it to hit the extraction cam too late in the bolts rotation, reducing or eliminating the length of pull that the cam produces during bolt operation. The other thing that can be affected by the position of the bolt when closed is the position of the cocking piece within the cocking cam notch. If the bolt closes too far, the cocking piece can rub on the side of the notch opposite the cam.

Getting an actions timing right makes its operation smoother, as well as guaranteeing that the amount of striker fall is correct, and a maximum of extraction travel is available. Pretty much all of this work is better off left to a qualified gunsmith, who has a good understanding of these issues. I am not sure that all do.
 
It is a shame we cant come up with lists for everyone to use when they need this type of work done.
 
At the back of the rear action bridge, there is a camming surface that the root of the bolt handle interacts with. As the bolt handle is raised, its contact with this surface forces the bolt to the rear, pulling the case from the chamber. The total length of extraction pull that is available is the horizontal dimension of the cam, minus any clearances such as the clearance between the front of the bolt handle root and the front of the bolt notch in the action (when the bolt is is closed), and the distance that the bolt moves before the extractor comes in contact with the case "rim". By keeping the extractor to rim and bolt root to front of bolt handle notch clearances at an absolute minimum, the working length of the cam will be maximized. If either or both clearances are excessive, the length that the case is pulled from the chamber is reduced , and may not be enough to dislodge a tight case, especially if it has a minimal body taper. I am sure that someone could come up with a better explanation. In any case, the whole thing would be a lot easier with an action in hand, for both of us to look at, and discuss.
 

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