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The Problem of Trying to Sell MADE IN USA

I began working in the textile industry in 1973, and it was one of the largest factors for the US GDP. Clinton and Bush sealed the demise of domestic manufacturing via NAFTA and China WTO, financed by Walmart being the highest paying lobbyist to promote this after Sam died. Slave labor, lack of regulations, patent violations, etc yield varying cost advantages, many of which cannot be overcome via domestic manufacturing. But others are not so disadvantaged and simply need a push to reimplement plants and workers; this is what the Trump mandated trade policies, tarriffs, and tax reductions are providing to to overcome the "new normal."
 
I began working in the textile industry in 1973, and it was one of the largest factors for the US GDP. Clinton and Bush sealed the demise of domestic manufacturing via NAFTA and China WTO, financed by Walmart being the highest paying lobbyist to promote this after Sam died. Slave labor, lack of regulations, patent violations, etc yield varying cost advantages, many of which cannot be overcome via domestic manufacturing. But others are not so disadvantaged and simply need a push to reimplement plants and workers; this is what the Trump mandated trade policies, tarriffs, and tax reductions are providing to to overcome the "new normal."
we stole from england during the industrial revolution all their secrets and stole tons off the Germans after WW II. all countries do it and I am sick of people not seeing this for other matters also
 
Im 44 years old .
I do my best to but American whenever i can .
I am however still a typical American hypocrite.
I did not start my hard core whenever possible attitude until about 2008 /09 ish.
Yes some stuff is still impossible, most is not though.
Guns, plenty made here , i do own 2 glocks , 1 rossi 22 i bought in 1989, and 1 norinco sks i bought in 1994.
My 3 go to scopes
Burris Black Diamond
Older Burris Fullfeild
Leoupold 6.5x20x50 lr
All American made.
3 old eEl Paso Texas made weavers.
2 foreign made nikons and a cheap ass nc star.

My savages, old Winchesters, Remingtons .
American made. Other guns American made.
I will never buy a other glock again either, even as good as they are. Plenty of good stryker fired American made pistols now.

To all here take a look in you vehicle stable...
If the very first digit of the VIN number is not a "1" YOU DID NOT BUY AMERICAN !!!
That goes for all vehicle Manufacturers!!!!
FORD is my preferred brand of vehicle. Even Ford sent their beloved focus which was made in MEXICO . any guess which country it went to in the last year or two.
FUCKING CHINA.
i wont buy a Focus or any other non American built car for that reason.
There is alot of shit that i pass on buying just because of manufacturing country of origin.
I do my best and sometimes spend more just to have that American made label.
Even at Walmart of all places you can buy American made towels, blankets and even some kitchenware stuff.
I am not perfect by any means but do my best daily. My AR's that wrere lost on November 5th 2020 in a tragedy on the water wear all equipped with USA ONLY stuff .
I lost alot of mo ey worth of stuff that day but my American made paddle and my American made
WE-NO-NAH made it to saftey...
Lost my vintage USA cloman lantern as well though.

There are in most purchases an American made option when shopping . A good American made frying pan and lid will set you back about a 100 dollar bill. A whole chicom peice of shit set can be bought for a little more.. my cupboards have more space in them and less shit that i dont need.
Most of my cookware was made in the USA.
Regal
Royal Prestige
Revere
Lodge
Griswold
Rada
Tupperware
And many smaller names i am forgetting.

Our politicans from both sides have made it possible for our daily needed items to be produced and shipped here for us to devour.
Most GE light bulbs that were considered ugly and energy inefficient were produced in the Niles Ohio area. New led and fluorescent bulbs that were pushed in the name of a better environment are produced in 3rd world shit holes with little to no EPA style regulations.
Those same light bulbs you buy at yhe store in the name of energy savings have to much toxic shit in them to be made here stateside.
Look at the break proof containers they come in.
Then after that look up the hazmat suggestions should you even break a bulb in your own home.
Take the too dirty work from here stateside and send it over the big ponds and they just make shit with little to no regard for the" environment ".
That same environment was the reason not to make the dirty inefficient stuff here.

We still as Americans have the same asshole politicians pushing thier own agendas.
All in the name of global warming and the environment.

I work in the locomotive industry.
The shit we make and send overseas to be used to haul stuff is still tier 2 stuff on the highest level. It soups the side of a locomotive so bad during pre test shipping delivery that you cannot even believe. Stuff here Teir 4 compliant.

You can even buy good long lasting American made socks. For those of us that spend 50% or more of every day on our feet they feel great , last 3 times as long and help my feet stay comfortable as i provide a living wage for myself and the millions of free loading turds that depend on my tax dollars every week.
Thats it for my rant i guess.
Buy American whenever possible.
I will disclose that i am currently under treatment with good old American made whiskey.
KNOB CREEK.

Maybe we all could do with a little less stuff even if it cost a bit more, in order to buy American made products.
 
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I have propagated my new store with as many domestic products as I can find.

The problem is that made in USA optics almost don't exist any more. I am still waiting to see if I can become a Leupold dealer, as I would ONLY sell Leupold products if I could.

I spoke to Burris thinking they were a made in the USA product, and they are NOT. I spoke to US Optics and they only have few select scopes that are over $3000 that are ASSEMBLED in the USA.

How is it not an issue of national security that we have no domestic suppliers of firearm optics?

1/3 of the country is unemployed now, yet we cannot seem to make anything.
We, the American worker and companies, ( companies that could come back or build) could do it, but the present government/politicians in Wash DC and many states have put so many restrictions, rules/laws and taxes rates on them, they can not survive here and therefor went off shore and that is one main reason you see so many things not made in the USA any longer. And don't forget t he Unions and the demands they put on companies.
 
As a union member i can say that i belong to the UE, ourtotal benefits package is agreed upon by both sides. When they do farm our work out yo other companies BOTH IN COUNTRY AND OUTSIDE OF COUNTRY our cost is normally lower. It is just far easier for upper management to tell xyz company that it abc products have to be delivered by a certain date . And o ly after beating them up on cost. Them more often than not we end up fixing piss poor quality product before we can use said product in a final production peice.

Our politicans and corporations from both sides sold out America for decades. I sure as hell will not ckaim he was anywhere near perfect, but for 4 years we had the best chance at starting to restore America to where it used to be. The crooked son of a bitches from both sides seen it to ousting him , his policies and the people he appointed in place.
FOR THE RECORD I WILL SAY THAT MY JOB IS DEPENDENT ON OIL BEING SKY HIGH.
DURING THE LAST 4 YEARS I HAVE ENJOYED LOWER OIL AND GAS PRICES .
MY PREDICTIONS ARE IN ABOUT 1.5 YEARS ILL BE SO BUSY BUILDING CHOO CHOOS WITH GAS BEING WELL OVER 4$ A GALLON THAT I WONT HAVE TIME TO SHOOT OR POST. RIGHT AFTER THAT WE WILL EXPERIENCE YET ANOTHER COLLAPSE / RECESSION .
 
Jobs and products left this country for the sake
of increased profits. The savings that was made on
out of the country labor was never realized by the
consumer.
Now you are lucky to find anything to buy thats made here.
LDS
It's called...good ole' fashioned American GREED !
 
Guys say they want to buy American between major purchases but then when it’s time to shop the market, it’s really just all about the best value that can be had.

That’s the main explanation for why our legacy gunmakers like Remington, Winchester and Colt struggled continuously and declared bankruptcy.

I don’t see a lot of discussion on the Forum about Leupold or see many at my matches. I personally think they are using patent litigation to try to acquire their rival Nightforce, dragging down both.
I have know idea what's happening with litigation but certainly agree with your general synopsis.
 
None of this is new. Welcome to life as of today. It ain’t going away. I wish y’all could find a way to be happy other than whining on a gun forum.
 
A few years back when oil was hovering around the $140.00 a barrel range the big shippers and manufacturers were worried that it was becoming too expensive to continue to ship items made overseas. Had oil continued on it's upward spiral, a lot of manufacturing would have had to have been brought back because it was no longer economically feasable to ship goods anymore. The price of oil miraculously came down and off-shore manufacturing recovered and flourished.
 
The manufacturing world is complicated, even with respect to “just” firearms. When the armed forces selected the Beretta or then the Sig for the largest value side arm contracts in existence, is American made the priority? Should it be? Colt had been the prior side arm. Smith & Wesson has had in full swing the “military and police” name going, clearly broadcasting as plainly as possible its standing interest, with a full line up. We haven’t had a legacy US maker that can win the contract.

Those two chosen side arms ARE made in America, (but like the Accord is) by a newish American company so that they can supply the armed forces, despite the fact that Beretta regards itself as a 500 year old company continuing without interruption in the same region of what has been Italy for part of its long existence. Sig Sauer GmbH is German, the original company of those with similar names. Just a little bit ironic if you have gray hair.

European companies are buying American companies from recreational target shooting bullet leaders to resurrection of the the rifleman’s rifle, the M70. Nightforce has been a generous benefactor to precision sports but technically is Australian, and I won’t hold that against them in purchasing because in my interests they are more supportive than any American company is. Try talking size XXL contractors and vets out of their Glock 45’s. The examples never end.

Even if we were personally convinced that the M700 could do all we ever needed in one iteration or another, business acumen isn’t just an all American trait, and sooner or later someone else is going to own that design, maybe even make it abroad and import it. That was my first centerfiire, after the Fieldmaster was my first rimfire, and I don’t relish that thought.

And more than that, too many guys to even count prefer the Tikka anyhow, we’ve read it here for years. An important American value is also choice, and those guys are certainly glad to own their Tikkas, and I sure would not part with my TRGs.
 
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I have propagated my new store with as many domestic products as I can find.

The problem is that made in USA optics almost don't exist any more. I am still waiting to see if I can become a Leupold dealer, as I would ONLY sell Leupold products if I could.

I spoke to Burris thinking they were a made in the USA product, and they are NOT. I spoke to US Optics and they only have few select scopes that are over $3000 that are ASSEMBLED in the USA.

How is it not an issue of national security that we have no domestic suppliers of firearm optics?

1/3 of the country is unemployed now, yet we cannot seem to make anything.
I applaud your belief in the idea that American Made is a sign of quality and to promote only those products. That certainly used to be the case, and it was in fact the rallying cry for many a Union boss for decades while we faced growing competition from foreign manufacturers. Buy American or eventually lose your job was not just a hyperbolic forecast, it became fact. But IMOP not for the reasons you'd expect. You have to take into account the national and world financial condition as globalism began to take a strong foothold.

Severe inflation, high unemployment, long lines at gas stations, union workers strikes dominating the evening news every night. Those were pretty rough times with little hope for change on the horizon, and personal greed won the day, as it always does, both in politics and business. Politicians facing a growing constituency of financially devastated workers, who, while watching union workers clamor for higher wages and better benefits realized that their political and financial future was in jeopardy unless they seemed to take a hard line against unions. A position dictated by rich donors. So President Reagan busted the Federal Air Traffic Controller's union, and so began widespread union busting culminating recently in SCOTUS ruling Unions cannot compel paying of dues. Gone is the workers union, along with the middle class. Also gone is any semblance of non partisanship in the courts as Senator Sheldon Whitehouse recently detailed.

The average worker who'd not seen a salary increase for years, or maybe had been unemployed for months simply had to make a hard choice when the washer or dryer broke down and had to be replaced. Or to buy a gas guzzler American made car or a gas sipping Japanese car to replace the Ford with a blown engine or transmission.

In those times, nationality has got nothing to do with it, as few could afford to make that Buy American choice. It was a perfect storm of capitalism working coherently to destroy the middle class, the biggest consumer group in the nation.

And China was more than ready to lead the way to globalization, with a vast and starving population and a willing, quickly growing manufacturing sector.

We can look back now and see the damage done to our economy and talented workforce by the decisions made four decades ago. But today, businesses still refuse to give cost of living raises, or any raise for that matter, choosing instead to replace workers with fresh, underpaid workers. At least that's how it is here in Texas, a state that many businesses are relocating to in search of cheaper labor. Machine automation has helped greatly in that endeavor, but those decisions are still being made to benefit personal wealth over a solid, stable workforce.

I want to see your business succeed and prosper. If you can do that selling only American Made products, that would be a watershed moment to be held up to the nation as a window to a brighter future.

I say go for it!
 
Japanese make some damn fine glass these days. As far as I know even Leupold buys its glass outside the US.

Also Brunton is made in Riverton Wyoming.
100% agreement with the quality of Japanese glass. I just was hoping Maven was an actual Made in the USA company.
 
Things change. We must adapt or be left behind. It's always been that way. It's easy for me because I am not a "look back" kind of guy. It's harder for others. All we can do is adapt and move on. And vote and spread the word. Things aren't done changing......
 
Generally speaking American products are high priced and low quality. Take vehicles for instance. Buy a Ford, Dodge, Chevy today along with a Toyota. In 10 years with similar mileage and maintenance the Toyota will have a higher resale value, even if it is assembled here. Heck, a lot of 10 year old Ford, Dodges, and Chevy's will be in the junk yard. There is no optical glass being made here. I don't think we even make a lightbulb anymore. The best glass is European, then Japanese, then Micronesia/Philippines/Korea, and last China.
 
Generally speaking American products are high priced and low quality. Take vehicles for instance. Buy a Ford, Dodge, Chevy today along with a Toyota. In 10 years with similar mileage and maintenance the Toyota will have a higher resale value, even if it is assembled here. Heck, a lot of 10 year old Ford, Dodges, and Chevy's will be in the junk yard. There is no optical glass being made here. I don't think we even make a lightbulb anymore. The best glass is European, then Japanese, then Micronesia/Philippines/Korea, and last China.

That was true for a time, but it's not been that way for 20 or 30 years. Especially when it comes to pickups.
 
Generally speaking American products are high priced and low quality. Take vehicles for instance. Buy a Ford, Dodge, Chevy today along with a Toyota. In 10 years with similar mileage and maintenance the Toyota will have a higher resale value, even if it is assembled here. Heck, a lot of 10 year old Ford, Dodges, and Chevy's will be in the junk yard. There is no optical glass being made here. I don't think we even make a lightbulb anymore. The best glass is European, then Japanese, then Micronesia/Philippines/Korea, and last China.
Well, maybe for production scope assemblies. There are a good amount of American co. Making the very best optic in the world. Just not for consumer markets. Mil contract optics made here are top shelf. If one was to use the same quality in a rifle scope, you and I couldn,t afford it.
 

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