muleystalker
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Even some of the Leopold scopes are not made in the USA.
The Problem of Trying to Sell MADE IN USA
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muleystalker
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All of their glass comes from overseas as does everyone else for the most part. Some of their other components are made overseas too and shipped here for assembly on some of their scopes. Some of their scopes are manufactured overseas.
muleystalker
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I would venture to say the glass for the AMG is sorted from Japan. There isn't much glass made in the USA.
muleystalker
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It says right on their website and if you call them they will tell you as they did me.
UrbanRifleman,
I’d encourage you to list the country of origin for those items you’re unable to source domestically. I know I’m not alone in my boycott of China.
If I can’t find it USA made, do I really need it? If I do really need it, I’ll look anywhere but China, cause if the ChiComs are the only option, I’m out.
I’d encourage you to list the country of origin for those items you’re unable to source domestically. I know I’m not alone in my boycott of China.
If I can’t find it USA made, do I really need it? If I do really need it, I’ll look anywhere but China, cause if the ChiComs are the only option, I’m out.
Sadly our own government has been our worst enemy for manufacturing. Also Unions have played a huge roll in destroying our manufacturing capabilities. Sure we want good pay but everything we make adds to the bottom line. Government even gave China a leg up on shipping their goods here. To my knowledge Bausch & Lomb was the last manufacturer of glass here. Leupold is a fine company that still produces a decent product but the competition is great and most folks that complain about their products can't even pronounce the name correctly.
jelenko
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Broadly, manufacturing or any operations where the quality is acceptable will go to the low cost provider.
If you remember, sometime ago, Japan was the low cost provider for many things. As their economy developed and wages/costs/regulations increased, mfg has moved to other developing countries. Same thing happened with Taiwan.
Unless the Chinese government is somehow able to control wages and regulations, their cost advantage will decline over time.
The question would be which country after China?
If you remember, sometime ago, Japan was the low cost provider for many things. As their economy developed and wages/costs/regulations increased, mfg has moved to other developing countries. Same thing happened with Taiwan.
Unless the Chinese government is somehow able to control wages and regulations, their cost advantage will decline over time.
The question would be which country after China?
Leupold scopes are solid. A number of my students have made HM and even won a few national championships with Leupold scopes. Mostly younger shooters - the combination of good natural eyesight and a budget makes Leupold appealing to them.
I think its us older guys with failing eyesight and bigger budgets that are driving the NF train. Nothing wrong with that. But not everyone needs a NF to see the target well.
I know this isn't going to be real popular, but honestly it would be tough to make an optics grade lens facility in the U.S. Frankly the average American worker would make at best average glass. For the level of scope most people want to run now, average isn't good enough. For what I'm talking about, watch the documentary called "American Factory" about the Fuyao glass facility that opened up in Ohio. It was embarrassing.
Add to that the pressure from deleterious unions, the ridiculous and virtually unchecked EPA, code compliance with the IRS, OSHA and all the fair employment, must hire me, can't fire me bull crap and you're really fighting an up hill battle. Our government needs to make it more advantageous to build facilities and employ people here in the U.S.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but it would have to be scaled for something in the firearms industry and without economy of scale, it's real tough to justify. I'm like most on here and don't like the idea of buying Chinese made goods, but that's tough to do. Additionally the Chinese can make anything that someone is willing to pay for. A lot of Chinese made stuff that sucks, sucks because that's what the company that contracted for it wanted. They don't want it to last for 10 years, they want it to last 2, tops. I've had the same iPhone for almost 4 years and that thing has seen some ridiculously bad times. It's still works flawlessly. Guess where it's made?
In order to fix this, we would have to convince our politicians that they work for the good of the country and their constituents. We would need to overhaul so many parts of government and convince the American people that Unions are only good for Union leadership and are the biggest cause of sending US jobs over seas. That's going to be a tough row to hoe.
Add to that the pressure from deleterious unions, the ridiculous and virtually unchecked EPA, code compliance with the IRS, OSHA and all the fair employment, must hire me, can't fire me bull crap and you're really fighting an up hill battle. Our government needs to make it more advantageous to build facilities and employ people here in the U.S.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but it would have to be scaled for something in the firearms industry and without economy of scale, it's real tough to justify. I'm like most on here and don't like the idea of buying Chinese made goods, but that's tough to do. Additionally the Chinese can make anything that someone is willing to pay for. A lot of Chinese made stuff that sucks, sucks because that's what the company that contracted for it wanted. They don't want it to last for 10 years, they want it to last 2, tops. I've had the same iPhone for almost 4 years and that thing has seen some ridiculously bad times. It's still works flawlessly. Guess where it's made?
In order to fix this, we would have to convince our politicians that they work for the good of the country and their constituents. We would need to overhaul so many parts of government and convince the American people that Unions are only good for Union leadership and are the biggest cause of sending US jobs over seas. That's going to be a tough row to hoe.
I have now seen where an engineer of the amg group said they purchase at least some the raw glass from schott, then theydo all the shaping turning polishing and coating. problem is schott has factories across the world including the USA. So I think you’re right it is possible some of the raw glass comes from not the US.
Though if that’s the case I find it very odd that They go out of their way to list made in USA with a German reticle on the scope. It still meets percentage quals to say made in USA and not mention the German etching of the reticle.
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Actually the Razor II larger scopes are reassembled in WI to add the proprietary elevation and wind age turrets.
But 100% correct on the AMG. I actually have one of the first that is totally made in USA. Unfortunately the reticle maker could not keep up production so they had to go to Germany.
It’s not. It’s USA glass.
The other side of the world has some truly humble people with a work ethic that is out of line with their meager to modest standard of living. Our unemployment benefits provide a better standard of living than their overtime factory workers enjoy. I can’t begrudge them even in the abstract when in so many areas I’m a beneficiary of their labor.
You can presently buy a 75 inch Roku flat screen television for $500.00, my son recently mentioned. If I were to just UPS that same box from Texas to China, I’d probably be paying a third or more of that. Who knows how much we’d have to shell out for an American made 4K UHD 82 inch screen lining the floors at Cosco.
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Thank you for doing the best you can with what you have to work with. At this moment it's difficult, if not impossible for some things, to find everything made in America. We didn't lose all of our manufacturing overnight and we aren't going to get it all back overnight. Even if it isn't perfect today, if we keep pushing that direction the situation will get better.
This thread has been mostly about guns and gun products, but one very real problem in addition to those already mentioned is us. Not US, but us the consumer. Just scour the topics discussed here and notice how often the subject of Wal Mart comes into the conversation. Until WE quit supporting the walmarts and their brethren, we will never have made in USA products. The big box stores are literally a chinese outlet.
I would love for someone to explain to me how a half blind guy can see better with an expensive scope. they are not corrective lenses. I cant even see the big E on top of the eye chart but I put my glasses on and have 20/20. a cheap or expensive scope makes no difference for me my glasses do
if the Chinese were not buying our debt with the money they make from there goods here we might have collapsed economically already
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