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$17,000 Wow, it must be true that everything is bigger in Texas.
This guy signed up for electric power billing through some company I've never heard of before - gridder. This dude made the national NBC Nightly News broadcast this evening (minutes ago). NBC reporter said they're contacted gridder for comment without yet receiving a reply ...

 
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This guy signed up for electric power billing through some company I've never heard of before - gridder. This dude made the national NBC Nightly News broadcast this evening (minutes ago). NBC reporter said they're contacted gridder for comment without yet receiving a reply ...
I bet its some kind of stupid plan that buys wholesale power in a pool like vivint used to do. Its illegal in most states for a reason
 
I bet its some kind of stupid plan that buys wholesale power in a pool like vivint used to do. Its illegal in most states for a reason
That's certainly the impression I got, the news report said this dude was "unaware the price pf his electric power was subject to change", and the dude said he'd reached into his retirement savings to pay this bill.
 
Well our gas here is much more than what you pay in Texas ($5.90 imp gallon) but our electricity is much cheaper at $0.06 KWH. Entire bill for last year was about $980/year. Feels good to hear something is cheaper here.
 
Correction - the company name is griddy, I found their website.

Texas is deregulated and it lets the predatory wholesalers sell there. Dumbest thing ever to not get your electricity from the provider, instead going thru a middleman to buy it from your utility then sell it to you. Makes the utilities look bad when something like this happens and gets your juice turned on last during a storm. Griddy will make him pay that bill since theres no public service commission to regulate prices. They will set him up on a payment plan and it may take 34years but he will pay it.
 
Gasoline has gone up about $0.50 a gallon around here since the administration changed. Some of the blurbs on the news say to expect prices of up to close to $5.00 a gallon by summer. We're around $2.64-2.70 a gallon right now. That should do wonders for an already damaged economy.

I live in Kentucky and went to St. Louis this weekend to visit my daughter. I paid $2.29 per gallon when I filled up upon leaving. Gas was $2.59 in Indiana along the interstate. After crossing into the Socialist Republic of Illinois, it shot up to $3.25 per gallon. WoW... When I crossed into Missouri it dropped back to $2.59.....What does that tell you? I texted a friend and told him of it. His response was "Holly Shart, that's what these forkin Biden voters wanted . Now we're all ducked...."
 
IMHO, folks need to have redundant backup of some sort, be it a wood stove, propane heater, generator, whatever. Back in the '50s gas heaters functioned by convection and didn't need electricity to work Phones were powered by DC from the exchange. Today, everything is dependent on the electric grid. .
 
I'll wager a week's pay that the chap with a $17,000 power bill will never be forced to pay it, or even a quarter of it. Nor will his power be cut off for not paying it. Takers?
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I think he already paid it because in his television interview he said when he signed up for this low cost electrical power he had to sign up for automatic payment from his bank account and he showed where it had already been withdrawn by his electrical provider.
 
I think he already paid it because in his television interview he said when he signed up for this low cost electrical power he had to sign up for automatic payment from his bank account and he showed where it had already been withdrawn by his electrical provider.
That's congruent with what I saw on this evening's national news, and the dude saying he'd dipped into his retirement savings to pay that bill.
 
It goes bad a lot. Mainly from valve maintenance id say. They put the heat tracing back and forth around valves, as you may know, one 12” valve may have 35’ of heat tracing on it and that may be part of a 400’ run. If its flexed just right it shorts out and that whole run has to be replaced. That may cost $100,000 to fix or maybe more. The ones that short out are easy to identify, but the pieces that are opened wont trip the breakers and you wont know its not working until it freezes. That budget in a texas type climate is usually spent on “more important” items. Fixing heat trace in all the power plants would take a covid type bailout and outages the grid cant handle.
I'm not in to excuses. Been an industrial piping designer for a long time and I see first hand how these things go. If freeze protection is required, then it is also required to be working. If it isn't working then we are back to the original question. Why not? At best, it's shoddy maintenance. At worst it is blatant disregard for the obvious to save a buck. I'm sure freeze protection can be a big pain in the butt to maintain, but it is what it is. Cost of doing business.
 
IMHO, folks need to have redundant backup of some sort, be it a wood stove, propane heater, generator, whatever. Back in the '50s gas heaters functioned by convection and didn't need electricity to work Phones were powered by DC from the exchange. Today, everything is dependent on the electric grid. .
Down here and along the Gulf Coast, major electric power outages are primarily due to severe tropical weather systems like hurricanes. In August 1970 I and my family were without electric power as well as our neighbors for three weeks following Hurricane Celia. Municipal natural gas supply was quickly restored as compressors in the natural gas network are typically (and naturally) powered by natural gas internal combustion engines instead of electric motors. So our house had gas for cooking and gas fired water heater so hot water available but no lights, TV, A/C etc. Those with gas instead of electric ranges & ovens helped neighbors cook meals alongside their own familiy's meals (including my mother) even if it was just heating up canned food.

We had gas home heating as well, exactly like you said, that didn't depend on nor use electricity. Our house and neighborhood wasn't built with central HVAC, it was wall unit gas heaters and (mostly DIY) window unit A/C systems. The gas fired water heater also didn't use electricity, it had simple controls. We didn't have any secondary source of home heating at that house and no fireplace which was the standard in the area we lived in as ours house was modest and fairly humble by today's standards. The heat sink of Corpus Christi Bay moderated the area winter low and summer high temperatures to a degree vs inland areas, bit the flip side was humidity, which got to swamp proportions in the aftermath of that hurricane with all the standing water. Intact or repaired window screens to keep what seemed like a plague of mosquitoes at bay were the big health and comfort priority.

That's just the way things are this far south and this close to sea level. This winter storm was kinda the equivalent here to having a major hurricane in the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains.

I can't remember a single instance in the 47 years I've spent in Texas and / or Louisiana anybody including me and my family getting exorbitant electric power bills in the aftermath of any such devastating tropical weather systems.

We've never used any but localbsupplier / infrasyructute owner for our electric service provider even when deregulation occurred. Same for natural gas as well for years we lived in the Great Lakes area. San Antonio electic power is from a municipal owned provider, City Public Service which has its own pluses and minuses. The mayor here has automatically mandated suspension of the autopay system and suspension of all disconnects for bill non-payment for now while the municipal muckety-mucks here dither about what will happen with billing here.


 
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I'll wager a week's pay that the chap with a $17,000 power bill will never be forced to pay it, or even a quarter of it. Nor will his power be cut off for not paying it. Takers?
My understanding is he said that was withdrawn from his account by the electric company as he has that plan where some bills are paid electronically. So if true he won't be forced to pay it.....they already have it.
And 1/4 of it? $4,000+ electric bill is ok?
No clue as to the laws in Texas for cutting off power for none payment.
 
Don‘t know what changes need to be made to plants located in the south to operate at cold temps, but there are plenty of examples to be found in/at the northern ones! I used to live near coal, gas, and nuclear plants in PA for over 60 years and they didn’t go offline at even lower temps than here in TX!
I hope not cause thats when the customers need the power most.....freezing or sub zero conditions.
 
My understanding is he said that was withdrawn from his account by the electric company as he has that plan where some bills are paid electronically. So if true he won't be forced to pay it.....they already have it.
And 1/4 of it? $4,000+ electric bill is ok?
No clue as to the laws in Texas for cutting off power for none payment.
He already paid it. @Brians356 owes me a weeks pay. They charged his credit card each day. He was on newsmax this morning and said he signed a contract with the gridder or whatever. They told him to swap providers or it would happen.
 
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