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Target-cam system using Ethernet. Need comments/suggestions.

There's a thread going on about bad customer service from a company that sells target cam systems. I was going to post this over there, but it's off topic from the title of the thread.

I was thinking about this for awhile, and think I have a low-cost solution for target cams using wireless Ethernet. Let me know what you think of this idea...

At the target:
1) Wireless Ethernet access point (router) with built-in switch (between free and $100)
2) PoE adapter (about $40)
3) Cantenna (about $50 pre-built... can be built easily for $20 and under)
4) PoE capable IP Camera (between $100 and $150)

basic schematic (in words :) ):
- The Cantenna is connected to the antenna jack on the WLAN router, and pointed at the shooter's location
- A short Cat5 cable from one of the switch ports on the router to the PoE adapter
- Cat5 cable from the PoE adapter to the security camera; the camera pointed at the target.
(you could use a PoE switch, but they're costly when compared to adding a converter to a standard switch. Unless you need multiple PoE connections (multiple PoE capable cameras).

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At the Bench:
1) Laptop
2) WLAN card with external antenna jack (USB or PCMCIA... Quick google search, and I found a USB donlge with an external antenna for $1.50)
3) Cantenna

Schematic:
- stick the WLAN card in your laptop
- connect the cantenna to the WLAN card

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Total cost varies with what you buy, or already have on hand...
At the target - approx $250
at the bench - approx $60 (laptop not included, but most of us already have one)

Total - approx $310

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The only thing I have not included here is a power supply for the equipment at the target. The router and the PoE converter are the only devices that require power. Both are DC powered, so a battery would work. A tractor battery or a car battery combined with the appropriate resistors would give you the appropriate output voltage and amperage required by the router and PoE converter. (I'm not too good with power calculations, so I'd have to dig into this a bit)

IP cameras generally use a web browser for the video feed (They act as a web server). Therefore you'll need 2-way communications (that's why you would need a cantenna at each end. (This could be beneficial if you are shooting at multiple targets that won't fit into the camera's field of view. IP cameras in a slightly higher price range offer remote pan/tilt/zoom through soft controls in the browser page. That feature would be pretty cool for a few reasons. From what I've seen this would be one of very few systems that offers 2-way communications between the user and the remote equipment.

People have used cantenna's successfully over a mile in clear line of sight (LOS) without much effort. Some people have reported ranges over 2 miles, and even up to 5 miles.

The PoE camera is a cool idea, because you can run the Cat5 cable up to about 100 meters. That would allow you to keep the power supply (battery), the router, and PoE converter away from the line of fire. The only item in danger would be the camera its self (if placed in the line of fire).

If you were to use an Ethernet switch at each end, you could set up a camera at each target, and only need a single pair of Cantenna's to backhaul the video. If you were equipping a range with mutliple targets, I think this would be a very cost effective solution. Multiple cameras, and multiple monitors, all using a single wireless link. :) To add an additional camera to a system like this would only cost what you spend on the camera and the Cat5e cabling to run from the switch to the camera. (If you know someone like me, then cat5e patch cables are free!)

Am I way out of line here, or does this sound feasible?
This post ended up longer than what I wanted... sorry ;D
 
If you would do the searching member jaychris has aready build a similar system and it's outlined in a post.

I did a quick search and came up with this on the subject......

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php/topic,3762814.msg35939933.html#msg35939933

Way over my head as I'm not a computer or techno minded, I'm old school relays and contactor type guy so my easy plug and play Transmitter Receiver system is all I need............
 
I forgot about that thread... I even responded to it, asking about the "cantenna" idea, but never got a response.

There are some slight differences between his system and what I proposed above, but they're very close to the same.

It makes me happy to see JayChris has an active system that works! That means my idea should work as well. One thing that he explained is the importance of using a camera that has an optical zoom. That's something I had not thought about, and would drive up the total price for the system significantly.

I'd be interesting in getting these systems side-by-side to see which one out-performs the other (in terms of distance). It sounds like both would be more than cpapable for 1K yards :)
 
I recently "upgraded" my system to use a Yagi-style antenna and it boosted the signal enough that I got a working system out to 1600 yards. I'm pretty sure it would extend well beyond that as long as line-of-sight is maintained.

I'm probably going-to-do-something about my camera though. The camera I have only refreshes every few seconds, which works ok since you have time to look up from your shot and see your hit appear on the screen, but sometimes lags a bit. It is not the highest quality image though and could use better optical zoom, so I'm crawling craigslist and other sources for a better camera.

I'm looking at redo'ing my system to look more like the $1500 PSW system, but probably at about half the price. Since it doesn't rely on networking, I'm thinking it will be simpler to implement with fewer components.

queen_stick said:
I forgot about that thread... I even responded to it, asking about the "cantenna" idea, but never got a response.

There are some slight differences between his system and what I proposed above, but they're very close to the same.

It makes me happy to see JayChris has an active system that works! That means my idea should work as well. One thing that he explained is the importance of using a camera that has an optical zoom. That's something I had not thought about, and would drive up the total price for the system significantly.

I'd be interesting in getting these systems side-by-side to see which one out-performs the other (in terms of distance). It sounds like both would be more than cpapable for 1K yards :)
 
Thanks for chiming in Jay.

I know a guy that does a lot of work for retail stores, integrating security cameras into their local IP network. I was planning on running this by him to see what his thoughts are. He deals with different brands of security cameras, so he should be able to at least tell me what to look for and what to stay away from.

Why is your camera running that sow? Is it the distance creating the delay or the camera its self? Are you still using the Canon VB-C300?
 
I'm still using the Canon VB-C300. It's just a lower end camera is all. It's a 2X optical zoom (wish I had more) and I think it's just not a top-end camera, feature-wise.

It's not the network (at least, not mostly), because it has the same refresh rate even when I test it at home in the house.
 
they make several cameras with good optical zoom like: Panasonic BB-HCM581A INDOOR PAN/TILT NETWORK Camera., PoE, MPEG-4, 21X OPTICAL ZOOM that are listed at the same price as the Canon
 
Well, it looks like the camera is going to be what kills my idea of an "affordable" system. That kinda sucks :(

Jay... you might want to pick this up if you have the cash for it... It's a refurbished model that's half the price of a new one!

http://cgi.ebay.com/VIVOTEK-IZ7151-IP-Network-Camera-18x-Zoom-Day-Night-/140559645601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20ba01fba1
 
It might be better to pick a USB over wireless/IP and simply use a USB camera. I've had the idea to build out
a few cases of these, but haven't had the time to dig into it. The price for HD cameras is getting down....
 

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