Target 308 hole gauge

[JEFFPPC]

A reticle is by far the best way to score when the difference in the score could come down to thousandths of an inch, which it often does in Varmint for Score.

Trusted to the naked eye. So why more and more power needed in the rifle scope?

 

[JEFFPPC]

I have question. Let's assume your scoring with a reticle. The outline is not breaking the black line of the target nor can you see any white between the scoring reticle line and the line on the target. Does it score up or down and why? Jackie I would like to hear your thought on this. Al, I would like your thoughts also.

 

[Uthink Uknow]

Oh great. You want Al’s and Jackie’s thoughts on a scoring decision but not mine. See if I care. I’ll give my decision anyway. If the reticle touches the line, it scores up. If you can’t see white, it must be touching.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Oh great. You want Al’s and Jackie’s thoughts on a scoring decision but not mine. See if I care. I’ll give my decision anyway. If the reticle touches the line, it scores up. If you can’t see white, it must be touching.

^^^^^^^
granted, there is a certain amount of “human error“ involved, which is why you have referees to give their opinion.

This all might seem a little anal to those not involved, but as I said before, this is a game of thousandths of an inch.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Oh great. You want Al’s and Jackie’s thoughts on a scoring decision but not mine. See if I care. I’ll give my decision anyway. If the reticle touches the line, it scores up. If you can’t see white, it must be touching.

Your right I apologize. I realized after I posted I missed you. But your the Man, you answered the question. That is how I score it but have had some rebuttal from some who feel it must break the line.I guess Jackie doesn't want to get involved, he commented but avoided the question. Thanks to you , Uthought and Uknew the correct answer. More importantly you were man enough to put it out there, thanks.

 

[Uthink Uknow]

I also said the plug can only be used once on a hole. When the bullet passes through the target it ends up making a hole smaller than the actual diameter of the bullet because the paper “springs back” ever so slightly. However, you are actually indexing on the burn pattern, if you are doing things right.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I also said the plug can only be used once on a hole. When the bullet passes through the target it ends up making a hole smaller than the actual diameter of the bullet because the paper “springs back” ever so slightly. However, you are actually indexing on the burn pattern, if you are doing things right.

I have also heard you can only plug once. However if the target is properly supported (it very seldom is) is that really true.?.? Where is there a set of printed rules that says this? What evidence supports this? I would love to have it in a printed rule book. I would also be interested in seeing the same referring to touch the line vs break the line. Now this all brings up the number one absolute in my mind. At any shoot only one person scores every target so they are all scored on the same basis. What I have most noticed in over 55 years of competition is that everyone has an opinion but very few are willing to score. No one wants the pushback when there is complaints.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I have also heard you can only plug once. However if the target is properly supported (it very seldom is) is that really true.?.? Where is there a set of printed rules that says this? What evidence supports this? I would love to have it in a printed rule book. I would also be interested in seeing the same referring to touch the line vs break the line. Now this all brings up the number one absolute in my mind. At any shoot only one person scores every target so they are all scored on the same basis. What I have most noticed in over 55 years of competition is that everyone has an opinion but very few are willing to score. No one wants the pushback when there is complaints.

Do it right and if there is still any doubt, have the refs look. Scorer and two referees..majority rules. There shouldn't be any pushback. If someone is a sore loser after 2 or 3 of three refs agree, that's on them.

 

[Uthink Uknow]

I think your opinion of which is more accurate, plug or reticle, becomes moot when you read the IBS rule book. The reticle, they spell it reticule, is the only means used for scoring. Here is their rule regarding scoring a target or a bullet hole.
When shot placement cannot be determined by visual inspection, an IBS approved reticule will be the only devise utilized using the outside diameter of the scribed mark per the caliber used to determine score based on the best edge. The target shall be placed on a flat surface in a well illuminated area. The Scorer shall determine if the referees are needed to decide the shot placement. If the Referees are utilized, the letters “RR” will be placed on the target square in question. If the Scorer can determine the proper score alone, the letter “R” will be placed on the target square which was scored

Other organizations and other disciplines use a plug, in some cases a caliber neutral plug. Air rifles and unregistered matches come to mind.

 

[JEFFPPC]

UU, you are right the IBS has rule you must use a reticle. Otherwise it does not address touch vs break the line. Thus,somewhat vague, why not a bit more specific and take away interpatation

 

[Uthink Uknow]

I don’t think anything else needs to be written about it. Scores and scoring are discussed more here than at a match.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Jeff, I agree with your point that technique needs to be better addressed in the rules. In fact, in even mentions those words and says that "technique" is addressed in another area of the rule book, but I can't find it.

That said, I can't say that it was never there...as in when the plug was the tool being used. Right or wrong, I think it's a carryover from then, that failed to make it into print, or simply common sense to use the "if it touches" assumption...because that's how it was before at every match I've ever been to, which substantially pre-dates the reticle method. I can't say that it was ever specifically addressed then either, but can you just imagine how things would be if the "plug" and the line had white between them(or vice versa) and the shot was called good? I hope you see my point with that. It's my understanding that the bullet hole does not have to touch nor break a line, but the reticle does have to touch, as in...no white.

It's not complicated but I agree with you that it should be clarified.

I can start enough stuff by myself, dang it! I don't need much help getting into this kinda trouble!