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Switch barrel for blustery days

Mulligan

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looking for advice.
I am currently shooting a 6 dasher for f-class, most days at the 600 yard line I can hold my own. At 1000 I get my backside handed to me if the wind is not steady or calm.
I shoot a Panda F-class action on a Lee six stock, pondering a 7mm barrel for those blustery days. Either a 7-08AI or a straight 284 will do the job. Any other calibers I should consider? Thoughts on the idea?
Thanks in advance for the help.
CW
 
Try some of the new 115 DTAC's, .620BC. We have a LR match next weekend I'm going to give them a try.
 
Try some of the new 115 DTAC's, .620BC. We have a LR match next weekend I'm going to give them a try.
Please let me know how these work out for you. I have to admit I was unaware they had a BC of .620!!!!! WOW!
CW
 
Also the new 110 SMK is .617. I don't have any of those yet but I'll report back on the 115's after next Sunday. Some great new 6mm bullets out now. If they work out they could breath a lot of life into the small 6's at 1K even at moderate velocities.
 
IMO the 6"s will have just a tad more inherent accuracy for the 600 yd. line and somewhat less at 1000. I have seen Dashers and BRX's do very well at 1000 but "usually" it is fairly nice conditions. I will say thou, that this summer I shot a clean at 1000 with my straight .284 and a very good shooter several targets down from me also cleaned them with a BRX...and the conditions were far from favorable. These were the 1st two cleans at this range so it doesn't give them up easily. I find that the 7mm's, whatever your flavor will allow just a bit more "wiggle" room ie; margin for error than the 6's at 1000. A wide 10 with a .284 will, IMO leak out for a 9 with a 6mm. All food for thought and totally my rant! Happy Holidays, Eric in DL
 
The rule that is difficult to get around is F=ma. A heavier bullet will always do better in tough wind than a lighter one.

Try this- on your trajectory calculator, plug in a 6mm bullet compared to 7mm heavy at a lower speed. Set the wind to 90 at 2mph- this represents an error in wind call. From there, watch the 6mm drift away from the 7 as range increases. You will be able to determine a range at which the 6 gives up the point to the 7 for an identical shot.
 
The rule that is difficult to get around is F=ma. A heavier bullet will always do better in tough wind than a lighter one.

Try this- on your trajectory calculator, plug in a 6mm bullet compared to 7mm heavy at a lower speed. Set the wind to 90 at 2mph- this represents an error in wind call. From there, watch the 6mm drift away from the 7 as range increases. You will be able to determine a range at which the 6 gives up the point to the 7 for an identical shot.
But we now have 2 6mm bullets with the the same BC as many of the very good 6.5's, time will tell how they stack up.
 
IMO the 6"s will have just a tad more inherent accuracy for the 600 yd. line and somewhat less at 1000. I have seen Dashers and BRX's do very well at 1000 but "usually" it is fairly nice conditions. I will say thou, that this summer I shot a clean at 1000 with my straight .284 and a very good shooter several targets down from me also cleaned them with a BRX...and the conditions were far from favorable. These were the 1st two cleans at this range so it doesn't give them up easily. I find that the 7mm's, whatever your flavor will allow just a bit more "wiggle" room ie; margin for error than the 6's at 1000. A wide 10 with a .284 will, IMO leak out for a 9 with a 6mm. All food for thought and totally my rant! Happy Holidays, Eric in DL
agree...and that's exactly what I built and why....
 
looking for advice.
I am currently shooting a 6 dasher for f-class, most days at the 600 yard line I can hold my own. At 1000 I get my backside handed to me if the wind is not steady or calm.
I shoot a Panda F-class action on a Lee six stock, pondering a 7mm barrel for those blustery days. Either a 7-08AI or a straight 284 will do the job. Any other calibers I should consider? Thoughts on the idea?
Thanks in advance for the help.
CW

I think you have a few choices. It is fairly easy to pick bullets and calibers that will have less wind drift, but the wild card is recoil, and how much of an impact that will have on your accuracy. As an extreme example think about the 338 Lapua with a 300 grain OTM Tactical Hybrid Berger. It will hold up for you, but will you hold up to it?

A good way to choose a cartridge is to look at the Berger Form Factor number. This chart is a bit outdated, and does not have their newest bullets, but the green highlighted bullets have the lowest form factor which means regardless of weight and BC they tend to perform the best at distance. The Berger Quick Reference Sheet is more up to date, but lacks the green highlights to help you.

The first thing that the Form Factor shows is that the Berger 6mm 105 grain Hybrid Target is pretty darn good with a Form Factor of 0.925. It is notably better than the 115 VLD. So one option is would be to stay with the 6mm caliber, and consider a large capacity case which will give you more velocity with a sacrifice in barrel life. The 6XC would be a significant step up, and the boring 243 Winchester another smaller step. Brass is available from Lapua (neck up 22-250 for 6XC). Here is a graph from elsewhere on the Accurate Shooter site to give you some rough comparisons. There is also the uncommon 6mm Remington which has a long neck and even more capacity but brass could be an issue.

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There are not many other bullets that do much better than the 6mm 105 Hybrid's 0.925. In 6.5mm there is the 135 grain Classic Hunter at 0.913 and the 140 grain Hybrid Target at 0.923. The 6.5-284 would do a good job of getting the velocity up, but you might not gain much over the 6mm 105 Hybrid. Brass available again from Lapua so that is good.

Then there is the 7 mm 195 gr EOL Elite Hunter at an excellent 0.892. But it has a thin jacket, and would it hold up to a long hot barrel shooting strings? And the recoil out of a SAUM? And where does the brass come from? The 180 grain VLD at 0.911 would address the thin jacket problem, but the other issues remain...

My thoughts would be because of the recoil issue to not go over 6.5mm, but hopefully this gives you some ideas. Start with the bullet, and consider the Form Factor, then decide how fast you want it to go, and that will give you the cartridge...
 
Shooting 600 and 1000 yard F-Class matches a Dasher will lose you more matches than it will win. Period

If your serious and want to win build a 7mm of some form.

If you are shooting more for fun at the club level then shoot your dasher and enjoy.
1:8 or 1:7 3/4 for the 180-183 fun tokens? Assume most are shooting 32" straight taper barrels?
CW
 
I still believe accuracy will beat BC .
Larry
No question, however if you look at the equipment list from the nationals from '14 & '15 (I haven't seen 2016 equipment list) most if the top shooters are shooting 284's. must be a reason if the big dogs are all shooting them. Being that I have shot a whopping total of "2",1000 yard matches and have been the 4th and 5th loser respectively, I could use the extra few inches of fudge factor in the wind.
Larry, when I look at all the 1000 yard records set with a dasher I totally understand in the hands of a "student of the wind" anything is possible. Dan Dowling chambered a Krieger for me this spring for that very reason. However a Dr. Friend of mine said, "CW, if you doing something different then the champs and winning, your genius. If your doing something different and losing, your an idiot!" Got me to pondering.
CW
 

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