sweet's copper remover

[lpreddick]

just bought a new bottle of above. the old sweet's was very thick and very ammonia. the new stuff is very fluid and doesn't smell as strong of ammonia. is it just as good at getting copper out or is this another example of government do gooders/environmental wackos trying to save the planet or did the folks in australia change the formula for some other reason? [/quote] if i can see you, i can touch you. BANG!

 

[fdshuster]

Sweets was my first choice for copper removal for many years. Now, not even close. Recently broke-in a new custom barrel that heavily copper fouled ( as verified with my borescope/ entire bore looked like it was painted with copper paint), and I attempted to use Sweets. After each 10 minute soaking & dry patching, 'scoped out the bore & saw little removal. Switched over to Warthog 1134, and copper removal was a non-issue: Gone! If I would have tried using Sweets for the entire 15 to 20 rounds fired, when the barrel suddenly stopped copper fouling, the break-in would have invloved many hours. With Warthog it was out in minutes. I also believe the original formula has been changed, as I've seen happen with other products as well.

 

[sailhertoo]

I use Sweets #7. I think theres different #'s and that make a difference.

GAP recommends on their new guns to use Sweets #7 and Barnes to clean the copper out of the barrel on break in.

 

[artbosco]

just bought a new bottle of above. the old Sweet's was very thick and very ammonia. the new stuff is very fluid and doesn't smell as strong of ammonia. is it just as good at getting copper out ?

Here's the only reason I use Sweets 7.62

"SWEETS 7.62 is used in our in our cleaning procedures only as a "bore lubricant" prior to pushing the brush through the barrel. "Sweets is composed of mostly large soap molecules similar to household dish washing detergents." Because of the lubricity provided by the soap in the Sweets it allows the brush to easily slide through the bore on its first pass. Not to mention removing all of the loose powder and carbon residue left in the barrel prior to cleaning.

NOTE: Sweets can also be used in extreme cases of copper fouling. The procedure in this worst case scenario is as follows:

A) Brush the barrel with Sweets (Kiss the brush goodbye).

B) Let the bore soak for 5 to 10 minutes (No Longer on Chrome Molly Barrels. Sweets and CM don't get along very well.)

C) Now soak a patch with HYDROGEN PEROXIDE and very, very slowly push it through the bore. A chemical reaction will take place between the Ammonia in the Sweets and the Hydrogen Peroxide causing all copper to go into suspension as the reaction takes place. The muzzle of your rifle will look as if it has rabies as the patch slowly nears the crown and you see all of the foaming reaction that is taking place. The blue green colors you see as the patch exits the barrel will amaze you.

D) Inspect the bore after you patch it out with Butches, by placing a Q-Tip just inside the crown. This will light up the bore and allow you to check for any remaining copper. If there are still traces of copper a second application will usually finish the job.

Speedy Gonzalez"

Any bombast as to why the formula may have changed is pure speculation. If you want to know for sure, call the company.

 

[1000yardstare]

Used Sweet`s 7.62 Solvent back in the 1980s in my Palma rifles. It was thin and runny. Didn`t need it for the match quality Dominion Arsenal ammo that the Canadian Army gave to us for competition. But the IVI practise ammo with its undersize machine gun bullets was a totally different story. After rattling 30 or so down the bore on an Army range, a few sopping wet Sweet`s patches followed by a dry patch and you were good to go.

Now we use reloads and that problem has disappeared.

Bought a bottle of Sweet`s 7.62 Solvent 2 years ago and it is thick like syrup. So now it is thin again?

Anyway, I prefer Barnes CR10 for any tough copper problems in hunting rifles.

Bill

 

[40X Guy]

just bought a new bottle of above. the old Sweet's was very thick and very ammonia. the new stuff is very fluid and doesn't smell as strong of ammonia. is it just as good at getting copper out ?

Here's the only reason I use Sweets 7.62

"SWEETS 7.62 is used in our in our cleaning procedures only as a "bore lubricant" prior to pushing the brush through the barrel. "Sweets is composed of mostly large soap molecules similar to household dish washing detergents." Because of the lubricity provided by the soap in the Sweets it allows the brush to easily slide through the bore on its first pass. Not to mention removing all of the loose powder and carbon residue left in the barrel prior to cleaning.

NOTE: Sweets can also be used in extreme cases of copper fouling. The procedure in this worst case scenario is as follows:

A) Brush the barrel with Sweets (Kiss the brush goodbye).

B) Let the bore soak for 5 to 10 minutes (No Longer on Chrome Molly Barrels. Sweets and CM don't get along very well.)

C) Now soak a patch with HYDROGEN PEROXIDE and very, very slowly push it through the bore. A chemical reaction will take place between the Ammonia in the Sweets and the Hydrogen Peroxide causing all copper to go into suspension as the reaction takes place. The muzzle of your rifle will look as if it has rabies as the patch slowly nears the crown and you see all of the foaming reaction that is taking place. The blue green colors you see as the patch exits the barrel will amaze you.

D) Inspect the bore after you patch it out with Butches, by placing a Q-Tip just inside the crown. This will light up the bore and allow you to check for any remaining copper. If there are still traces of copper a second application will usually finish the job.

Speedy Gonzalez"

Any bombast as to why the formula may have changed is pure speculation. If you want to know for sure, call the company.

Very interesting! Thanks for posting this, I have some Sweets that is the thicker sticky stuff and will try this.

Frank

 

[expiper]

Try using industrial strength floor stripper (high strength amonia) that is availabel at Ace hardware or any other place you buy cleaning supplies.....Roger

 

[lpreddick]

warthog 1134? their website is down but phone is up: 1-701-751-0882. ordered a bottle today. i'll try just about everything once, sometimes twice. [/quote] if i can see you, i can touch you. BANG!

 

[markm87]

I've had the same poor performance from Sweets. I didn't realize until a buddy gave me some Bore something or other to try and I got a bunch of green patches out of what I thought was a copper free barrel.

 

[majorchuck]

has anybody tried fuel injector cleaner plug the muzlle and pour wieght 30 min. brush out.

 

[Bobthenailer]

I've had the same poor performance from Sweets. I didn't realize until a buddy gave me some Bore something or other to try and I got a bunch of green patches out of what I thought was a copper free barrel.

A green patch is lead fouled and a blue patch is copper fouled.

 

[majorchuck]

I guess I wasted $ on outers bore cleaner[I apologizes for the poor spelling in my previous post] a friend turned me on to the injector cleaner and it worked the product is called winns injector cleanner[sold by canadian tire stors here in canada] very thin and you must wash the brush and bore with liquid soap after.

 

[fdshuster]

That's one of the positive things about Warthog 1134: no waiting period. If I had to wait for soaking times when breaking-in the new custom barrel, it would have taken many hours. With Warthog, wet down the bore, then dry patch. Requires 3 or 4 cycles for the patches to come out white. And after the final patch I verified that the entire bore was copper free, by using the borescope. The presence of copper at the muzzle, or not, as seen with the naked eye cannot tell you if there is an area of copper somewhere in the middle section of the barrel. I've seen one area that will be loaded with copper, followed by a section that is completely free of copper. You can have streaks of copper on the tops of the lands, and/or in the center of the grooves, or it may cover the entire surface, as I described as looking like it was painted on.

 

[lpreddick]

one or two lands covered with copper(as seen thru a borescope) probably spells poor grouping for the bullet causing the copper fouling. think about it...the one or two copper streaks means this material was stripped from ONE side of the bullet. this will alter the rotational stability of that bullet when it leaves the bore. one could see a tight group initially, then "for no apparent reason" the group opens. i have a barrel doing just this and now that my hawkeye is in my hands, as of yesterday, i'll find the area producing the one blue streak on the patch, after several come out blue allover. in this case i hope i'll be able to concentrate cleaning to this area therby reducing the ?roughness that pulls copper from the bullet. we'll see.[/quote] if i can see you, i can touch you. BANG!

 

[tenring]

In about 50 years of cleaning rifles, I have spent more than the national debt on bore cleaners that don't work. In fact, I have an entire shelf in my cellar loaded with various tin cans, glass bottles, plastic containers, greasy tins, oil cans, etc. still full of these goops. After all this time, I have found nothing better than another. Lately, I have been using WipeOut spray which is effective after sometimes three applications. It saves time and doesn't aggravate the elbow arthritis.

Now, if someone can come up with a cure for dementia, I will be able to remember why I wasted my time (and money) on so many worthless copper cleaners.

 

[superlight93]

KG-12 is very effective on copper removal. The new reformulated Sweets is not the same as it used to be.

 

[o2fish]

Ordered 5 bottles of Warthog today Hope It Works ;D

 

[JimboLLN]

just bought a new bottle of above. the old Sweet's was very thick and very ammonia. the new stuff is very fluid and doesn't smell as strong of ammonia. is it just as good at getting copper out ?

Here's the only reason I use Sweets 7.62

"SWEETS 7.62 is used in our in our cleaning procedures only as a "bore lubricant" prior to pushing the brush through the barrel. "Sweets is composed of mostly large soap molecules similar to household dish washing detergents." Because of the lubricity provided by the soap in the Sweets it allows the brush to easily slide through the bore on its first pass. Not to mention removing all of the loose powder and carbon residue left in the barrel prior to cleaning.

NOTE: Sweets can also be used in extreme cases of copper fouling. The procedure in this worst case scenario is as follows:

A) Brush the barrel with Sweets (Kiss the brush goodbye).

B) Let the bore soak for 5 to 10 minutes (No Longer on Chrome Molly Barrels. Sweets and CM don't get along very well.)

C) Now soak a patch with HYDROGEN PEROXIDE and very, very slowly push it through the bore. A chemical reaction will take place between the Ammonia in the Sweets and the Hydrogen Peroxide causing all copper to go into suspension as the reaction takes place. The muzzle of your rifle will look as if it has rabies as the patch slowly nears the crown and you see all of the foaming reaction that is taking place. The blue green colors you see as the patch exits the barrel will amaze you.

D) Inspect the bore after you patch it out with Butches, by placing a Q-Tip just inside the crown. This will light up the bore and allow you to check for any remaining copper. If there are still traces of copper a second application will usually finish the job.

Speedy Gonzalez"

Any bombast as to why the formula may have changed is pure speculation. If you want to know for sure, call the company.

New here, Hello everyone.

Very interesting post, Thanks. But as far as throwing the brush away, just clean it with Naptha or brake cleaner, works for mine and always has.

 

[lpreddick]

warthog 1134: thanks fdshuster for this info. got my bottle and used it yesterday on a friends new savage 243. i used my modified ed's red cleaner and got some powder fouling out ,borescoped the barrel and saw some copper, so i used some warthog and...SCHAZAM! BLACK streaks (6) and BLUE! three patches later and still b&b! thought perhaps my jag was causing the blue, so i borescoped the muzzel end and there they were...lands covered with black streaks with orange copper. will continue until clean before barrel breakin. look forward to using the warthog on my guns and will probably order more.[/quote] if i can see you i can touch you. BANG!