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suggestions on Savage target rifle, my first real target gun

I am new to the target rifle scene. I became interested after finding this site and have read most everything I can find on target shooting. I have a project in the works and started a thread on it in the 6-284 section, but it isn't really going to fill my needs. I am interested in buying a real target rifle. I can't afford a custom rig, and have been looking at the Savage target rifle series. I really like Model 12 Bench Rest in .308. I am wondering if anyone has heard anything on them, good or bad. I am looking to purchase it to develop my skills, and maybe compete at some level in the future. Basically, will this gun be sufficient to develop my skills and get a start in the target world? Any help is appreciated. Also, would it be better to look into a used rig? The concern I have with used, is i have no real idea what to look for as far as judging barrel condition or overall condition other than cosmetics. I don't know how to tell if the bedding is good, or if the gunsmith work is good. I just don't want to end up with a lemon. I thought that buying a new Savage would at least insure it was decent to start. Any info as to what to start with is appreciated. Thanks.
Kenny
 
I prefer the 12F model and have two of them. They originally came equipped with 6BR and 6.5-284 barrels. I have also acquired .308 and .22-250 barrels for them. You would not go wrong if you prefer the 12 Bench Rest model. The .308 is easy to load and shoot well but I think that the 6BR would be a better choice for a first target rifle. It has low recoil, very forgiving load qualities and inherently good accuracy. Either one is a good choice.
 
Good advice. For my money, assuming you reload or are going to, get the 6BR. Savings in bullet and powder purchases will go a long way and the barrel will not burn out any faster than the .308. Plus the fact that many use the 6BR out to 1000 yds. seals the deal I think.
If you do not reload, please consider it. It is not difficult, doesn't have to be overly time consuming (my excuse for years), and you will pay for the tools and components required in roughly 100-200 rounds over factory match ammo (if you can find any).
Good shooting, Mike T.
 
I also have an F class in 6br. What a pleasure to shot. And the br case is just plan cool looking. Reloading is very easy. and all the info on this site makes finding a load very easy.

gary
 
One feature that I like about the Savage is that its very easy to change barrels to a different caliber. All you need is a different barrel, a nut wrench, and a headspace gauge, and you're good to go. You have to be aware of the rim diameter fitting the bolt, for example the 308W family of cartridges, and the 6.5x47L have a diameter of 0.473".

Bill
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I do reload already, 30-06, .222, and 7.62x54R. I have been loading for about 2 years, and I have acquired a decent selection of equipment.

I was leaning towards the .308 as I thought it would be easier to load, and I thought a rifle that heavy would dampen most recoil. I will look into the 6mm BR. If I go with the 6mm I will probably go with the model 12 F class. I prefer the stock on that model as the bottom of the butt is parallel with the forearm, and I feel it should track better on a rest and sandbag. My concern with the 6mm was the cost of brass, as I was under the impression it was rather expensive. I know it burns less powder, so the cost may balance out over time.

Also, would I need to change the bolt head to swap from .308 to 6mm BR? I ask as I am aware of the ease of switching barrels on a savage, having replaced the smoked .223 barrel to .222 on my own. As my original plan was to buy another barrel, possibly 6mm BR, as the funds were available.

If you have any suggestions for budget optics that would be great as well. I plan to start with my Tasco 6-24x 42mm Varminter, as it has held zero well on my .222 and has enough magnification to get started. I know most have better, but I am low budget.

Thanks again for the help. I appreciate you taking time to respond.
 
The 6BR and .308 are both .473 case heads. My two 12Fs can interchange all four barrels that I mentioned. You are correct about .308 recoil with a rifle in this class. The 12F with a big scope weighs around 16.5 pounds. Recoil with a 190 Matchking is reasonable. The 6BR is a real pleasure to shoot in these guns. There is a little thump and not much else.

I have a couple of Weaver T-36 scopes that I feel are a good buy. I use them for load development and lighter rifles. My .223 Remington 788 would look pretty silly with a big Nightforce 12-42 or Sightron 10-50 sitting on it.
 
I have a Savage Benchrest 308 and like some indicated a 6BR barrel was a recent and welcome addition. This last weekend I was shooting less than 1" groups at 200yds with the 6BR and last summer won a 1000yd club match with the 308 barrel. Rifle is really good and I'm a marginal shooter.
Here's a pic of mine:
savage308br002.jpg


I love the dual port action, really improved my ease of loading while in the prone position.
Great rifles!
 
Kenny,

either the 12F in 6BR or the 12 BR in .308 would be a good choice. Like others above, I'd personally go for the 6mmBR model. However, you may want to think a little as to what you might want to compete in subsequently and over what distance(s). If you're thinking shortish range 'factory sporter class' benchrest or F-Class, the 12F in 6BR is a very good choice. If you fancy mid and long range BR or F, the 12F in 6.5-284 would be more competitive (but at the cost of higher reloading costs, more recoil, and a relatively short barrel life). You can always start with the 6BR of course and rebarrel to anything that uses the common 0.473" dia. case-head later (.308Win, 6.5X47L, 6.5-284, .284Win to name four popular cartridges in competition) that suits the discipline you choose.

One thing to bear in mind if you fancy having a go in F-Class is that there are two classes - Open and F/TR (often called F-Class Restricted). Open allows any calibre and cartridge up to 8mm and most shooters use a pedestal front-rest. Performance and good ballistics (alongside good accuracy) rule this form of shooting, hence the provision of the 12F in 6.5-284 Norma calibre. F/TR is restricted to .223 Rem and .308 Win and pedestal rests are not allowed, an attached 'bipod' used instead. You can screw in a stud and attach a bipod to the F and BR models, but both have wide flat-bottom forends designed for sliding on a front-rest. The Savage 12 F/TR model has a narrower forend designed for bipod fitting, and is a good starter model for F/TR shooting out of the box. (Team Savage members using selected but otherwise out-of-the-box 12 F/TRs were placed 3rd 9th, 10th and 13th in F/TR class in the individiual matches in the F-Class World Championship meeting at Bisley in England last July, and also formed half of the winning 4-shooter US F/TR team in the team event.)

Incidentally, the wide forend on the F and BR models does involve you in some extra costs to be considered. You will need a reasonable quality front-rest that takes or comes with a top with a three-inch wide bag and has to be sturdy and steady enough to cope with a long and heavy rifle. The better Caldwell rests suit, but their tops are not as good as those from specialist benchrest rest providers such as Sinclair, Bald Eagle etc.

In UK BR Assoc 'factory sporter' class at 600 and 1,000yd benchrest shooting, it's a near complete line-up of 12Fs in 6.5-284, hardly a Remington seen these days, and some of these rifles are real tack-drivers, Phil Gibbon setting a new UK FS 600yd small group record last Sunday with one.

In any event, whichever Savage model you choose will be a good entry into precision and competitive shooting, and there is a good resale market for these rifles if you decide to change to something else in the light of experience, as well as being very easy to rebarrel and/or reconfigure if needed. Go and register on the free forum section of the huge Savage Shooters website that has vast amounts of information about these rifles and also many links to specialist Savage rifle 'goodies' suppliers.

http://www.savageshooters.com/index.php

Oh, one final thing. I seem to remember that the 6BR Savage 12F was made in 1-12" twist and short-throated (for light bullets) as well as the 1-8" twist / long-throat 6mmBR Norma form until recently. Unless you're going to restrict yourself to short-range benchrest, make sure you get one with a 1-8" rifling twist barrel. That lets you use the heavy and more ballistically efficient 6mm match bullets in the 90-108gn range that are better suited to 300yd and upwards ranges.

Good shooting,

Laurie,
York, England
 
Wow, thanks for the replies. I think I am going to go with the 12 f 6mmBR, and order a .308 barrel also. I was wondering what you thought of Pac-Nor barrels, and should I go with a 1-12 or 1-10 twist? If you think I would be better with someone else's barrel, let me know. I am open to suggestion. I only looked to Pac-Nor as I have a .222 barrel from them that is a nail driver! Shoots .4-.6" 3 shot at 100yds. I know that's not incredible, but it's a factory Steven's other than the barrel. (it is a bull barrel)

As far as the 6mm goes, it will have a 1-8" twist. Will I be able to shoot the 85gr flat base bullets, or just the VLD's?

And what bullet weight do you suggest for .308? I have some Nosler custom comp's in 168 and 175 grs, and some 180gr Match Kings. Will these be ok to start? Or should I go with something heavier? Never shot really long, so I have no idea what is best.

Thanks for the info thus far, been a great help. Hopefully I can get this thing ordered up this weekend and follow with a .308 barrel soon after. Now I just need to find out where I can go to see a match of some sort around NH. The best way to learn is to watch the technique of someone that knows!
 
I have not used them but many others report good results with Pac-Nor barrels. My Savage prefits are McGowen barrels and shoot very well.

An 8" 6mm barrel will shoot the 85g just fine. Mine shoots the Berger 80g Varmint into tiny holes.

.308 twist depends upon what you intend to shoot. Mine is a 10" as I prefer heavy bullets. If you intend to shoot the fine Berger Fullbore 155.5 and nothing heavier, a 12" or 13" twist would be better. The Fullbore gives up little to the 190s and has notably less recoil. A 10" twist will take you up to the Sierra 220 Matchking.
 
Well, I have decided to hold off on the rifle. I have had issues arise, and the $ is now an issue. I am going on the cheap and buying a Rifle Basics trigger and a new stock for my Steven's .222. If you have any suggestions on stocks, throw em out here. Looking for synthetic target stock.

I will still buy the Savage, but it won't be until maybe the end of July-August. :(

This sucks bad, but I'll get over it.
 
Synthetic Target Stock? IMO there is only one place to go for those in a Savage.
Kevin Rayhill of Stockade Stocks.
Just had a nice conversation with Kevin yesterday and ordered a Short Range BR model stock from him. I chose the money saver edition. Little sandpaper and bondo, then paint. ;)
 
Thanks jo191145, exactly what I was looking for! I am torn between the prairie dog special and the benchrest. But as soon as I figure out what is going to work best I will be placing an order for a money saver. I would rather save the $ and finish it myself. I worked in a body shop as a teen, so it shouldn't be a problem.

I also ordered a Timney trigger from midway today. I hope it is better than my lightened factory job. It should be though, and I'm not too worried.

The old school used to use the .222 for benchrest, so I don't see why I can't hone my skills a bit with it too. The factory stock is about as rigid as butter in the sun, so an upgrade should help. I just can't see putting nice wood on a Steven's. Rather save the $ for the savage.

Hopefully I can tighten my groups up a bit with the mods.

As long as I get the Savage by fall, I guess it doesn't really matter.
 
Hey Kenny. If you are going with the Stockade Stock, the sooner you get your order in the better. Looking at 12 weeks or more the last time I talked to them. Over on the savageshooter forum is a guy by the name of Jim Briggs of Northlander Shooting Supply. He has some good deals on Savage target actions and McGowen and Shilen barrels that are threaded for Savage and chambered for 6mmbr. Also look at the triggers that www.sharpshootersupply.com/ sells. Alot of the savage boys over there swear by them. I was planning a 7wsm build, but have changed my mind, going with a 6mm family. These boys here are making that 6mmbr sound mighty good. Man, ain"t this fun! Good luck to you. Ron
 
Ron, thanks for the input.
I already ordered the Timney, so I am going to see how it works out. I may have a Savage 12 BVSS stock available from someone local, just waiting to hear back from him. The price is right and it's a ton better than what I have, and with a good bed job it should be sweet. If that doesn't work out, I may just go with something from Sharp Shooter Supply if their wait isn't as long as Stockade. Sharp Shooter's laminate's do look real nice, and a few coats of automotive clear would probably make it even better. Although I can shoot my gun as is, a new stock would be a dream come true at this point. Thanks for looking out for me though, much appreciated.

I have been looking at Jim Briggs stuff as well. It seems to be priced well, but the complete gun from Savage is ready to go, and that is more what I am after. I am going to have a bit to think about it anyway, so if I change my mind I will give Jim a call.

Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.
 

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