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Just out of curiosity. For short range benchrest, has anyone ever shot anything other than a 6ppc and won consistently, or was at least competitive? Whether it be on a national, state or club level.
I have been lucky enough to win both a ubr national grand agg as well as a couple of yardage aggs shooting a 12 twist 6 Grendel with both 68s and 80 grain bullets. It's not a lot different than a ppc, really it's a .070 long 6 ppc but yes, it has been very competitive for me. I like being a bit different but without breaking all the rules. Some things just make more sense than others and to think a Grendel case can't win is really just not being logical, IMHO. It's not much different from a ppc and MIGHT be better with slower lots of powder. Can't say for sure because the difference is too small for me to shoot that difference. Good bullets and bbls are far more important imo.
 
I have been lucky enough to win both a ubr national grand agg as well as a couple of yardage aggs shooting a 12 twist 6 Grendel with both 68s and 80 grain bullets. It's not a lot different than a ppc, really it's a .070 long 6 ppc but yes, it has been very competitive for me. I like being a bit different but without breaking all the rules. Some things just make more sense than others and to think a Grendel case can't win is really just not being logical, IMHO. It's not much different from a ppc and MIGHT be better with slower lots of powder. Can't say for sure because the difference is too small for me to shoot that difference. Good bullets and bbls are far more important imo.
That's awesome! And interesting. (I'm new to all this) Is it a simple neck down of the 6.5G brass or are you turning necks?
 
If anything, I'd have to give the edge to the Grendel as far as easy buttons go. They tune very similarly and it's a simple neck down op and no fire forming. People look at anything that doesn't say ppc after it like it's from a different planet or something. Dies and such...edge to a ppc but not by much. I've worked all that out a long time ago for using a Redding type s full bushing die for a sizer and you can seat with a ppc seater if you like. Custom is still yet another option though. You can simply start with ppc data and adjust a little upward from there. It's pretty easy. In fact, several years ago a good customer and I discussed doing it and calling it a 6 E-Z! Nothing is easier to load than a small 30 though.

Look, I'm done trying to argue that a ppc is not the king. It is and it always will be. Read that again. That doesn't mean there aren't other options that are just as good and possibly even better, now or in the future either, though. It is what it is. If 99 out of 100 people are shooting a ppc it will win most of the time. It's more impressive to me when something else does, against those odds, though.
 
By all means continue everyone. Haha. I also understand that the 6ppc is king of the hill and before that it sounds like it was a .222rem. I will probably end up with a 6ppc. However, a 6 Grendel is intriguing. The prospect of not having to turn necks is nice. I'd be more curious of what brass and barrel life are like compared to a 6ppc.
 
If you want to be a serious Short Range Group Shooter, go with a 6PPC, made from the Lapua 220 Russian Case.

Forget about making the round from any other case. We owe a lot of the performance we get from a 6PPC to the Lapua 220 Russian Case.

It’s not just the easy button, it’s the winning button. The only case that is as easy to shoot in a 10.5 pound Rifle that is as competitive is the 22PPC Short.

The 30BR is arguably as accurate. However, the recoil in a 10.5 pound LV is a little much over an entire Grand Agg.

For Short Range NBRSA Score, any of the short 30’s can win. That includes the 30BR, 30 Grendel, and 30 PPC.

For UBR, which I don’t shoot, I would think the 22 PPC Short would be the way to go.

I shoot both Short Range Group and Score.
 
By all means continue everyone. Haha. I also understand that the 6ppc is king of the hill and before that it sounds like it was a .222rem. I will probably end up with a 6ppc. However, a 6 Grendel is intriguing. The prospect of not having to turn necks is nice. I'd be more curious of what brass and barrel life are like compared to a 6ppc.
Can you see why I enjoy winning with something else. Lol!

From experience, the Lapua Grendel brass is every bit as good as the very fine 220r brass, small primer, small flash hole as well as how it holds pressure ...and bbl life is a coin toss.
Yo can do a no turn ppc as well.

I recently chambered a 22 Arc(grendel) but have only had time to get about 15 rounds down it and broken in. I was able to shoot a nice little .130ish group within those first few. It's gonna shoot too.
 
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If Lapua were to come out with the 6ARC brass that would be something
It may work as is. The shoulder may not need to be shortened to standard PPc length

At least if it has to be pushed back .045 it will still be much easier to form

Lots of folks experiment continually
I have thought about that ever since the ARC came out.

It has always been thought that the reason Lapua never came out with an actual 6PPC case was they sold every 220 Russian case they made every year, so why bother.

It’s the same with the 30BR. I would be curious to know how many Lapua 6BR cases get transformed into a 30 BR every year.
 
I have thought about that ever since the ARC came out.

It has always been thought that the reason Lapua never came out with an actual 6PPC case was they sold every 220 Russian case they made every year, so why bother.

It’s the same with the 30BR. I would be curious to know how many Lapua 6BR cases get transformed into a 30 BR every year.
I think if they can ever get back to normal production, the standardization of the two ARC cartridges may be the best chance of Lapua doing this. Fwiw, a 22 Arc is a Grendel and the 6 is a shortened Grendel, in between it and a ppc, but all very close
 
Don't hold your breath. They also said they were going to make 30BR brass and as we all know it never happened.
Yes, and not knocking it but I simply have not found any other brass that holds pressure and is of otherwise decent quality, like Lapua brass. Particularly in the 220, Grendel and BR brass. This being a not so small sample over the last 25 years, roughly. Again though, I do think there are pretty good alternatives to Lapua if you're not loading at the very top end.
 

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