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Some thoughts for new PD shooters

It seems that each time there is a post from a new shooter that the suggestions are all over the place as far as calibers, scopes, and other equipment that may be needed.
PD shooting is like most other things in life - it is easy to over complicate it.
I have been shooting PD's and ground squirrels for decades and would like to share some equipment suggestions to the new PD shooter. I am fortunate in that I live in a target rich enviroment, by mid-summer I have usually shot 3000 - 4000 rounds at ground squirrels and PD's.

A lot of new shooters may only go one time because of the expense, time constraints, family obligations, etc. No matter how enjoyable it may be it is not inexpensive.
Before you lay out a lot of money on equipment consider the KISS method - "learn to walk before you try to run".
Don't spend a small fortune buying stuff that is not necessary, after the first trip then you will have a lot better idea of what does and doesn't work for you.

Firearms - an accurate bolt action, a bolt action helps you pace yourself when shooting. You will find that you will take time to make the shot rather than trying quick follow-up shots that often happens with semi-autos.

Cartridge - 223 Rem. with 40 or 50 gr bullets.
Why? Multiple reasons.
Most PD shooting takes place within 300 yards, after that the hit ratio drops quickly and most shooters would agree that hitting is more fun than missing. There is nothing wrong with trying some 400 - 600 yd shots but you will likely soon go back to the shorter ranges for the higher hit probability.
Another reason for the 223 is that if you aren't a handloader there is a good availability of off the shelf ammo at reasonable prices. If you are a handloader the 22 caliber gives a good selection of components from various manufacturers and often at better prices, with brass being reasonably priced and free if you use range pick ups.

Recoil - if you are lucky enough to get into a good PD field 300 or more shots per day are doable and shooting heavier bullets creates more recoil and it will begin to wear on you. Recoil is cumulative. Even a 223 shooting 50 gr bullets can start to wear on you by the end of the day - remember this is supposed to be fun, not an endurance contest where you begin to dread pulling the trigger.

Multiple Firearms - I have mixed emotions about suggesting multiple firearms because the cost another firearm and scope incurs.
If you do take two firearms I suggest that both firearms be for the same cartridge with the same load, by doing that you aren't as likely have to be jumbling drop and drift differences around in your though process. It is amazing at how quickly the drop and drift become intuitive when using the same cartridge and load over and over.
While it is nice to have a couple of firearms in case the shooting gets fast, you can get by with just one by laying a wet rag on the barrel to keep it cooled down.

Scope - Any good variable. There is no point in spending the money for a high magnification scope because of heat and barrel heat mirage it becomes difficult to use much above 15 power anyway. Just be sure that the glass is good enough that it doesn't tire your eye out and cause eyestrain.
A scope with a "fancy" reticle is not necessary - sight in at one-inch high at 100 yards and hold the crosshairs at the top of the head at 300 yards. Basically you can hold on fur from 100 to 300 yards.

Rangefinder - They are handy to have but not absolutely necessary, although they will help you to learn to judge distances better - it is surprising how many of those 400 - 500 yard guesstimates are actually inside of 300 yards.

Binocular - Again they don't have to be top-end, a good pair of 10X that don't give eyestrain will work just fine.

Shooting Table - Nice to have but unless you have a big field with lots of targets setting up and taking down a shooting table becomes a pain in the butt. I generally just use one of the sand filled canvas bags across the hood of my truck because it is faster and makes me more mobile.

Spotting PD's - When I am shooting and spotting with a friend we will try to find some prominent feature in the field, such as a rock, an oddly shaped bush, anything like that so it is easily identifiable and use that as the center of the clock when directing shots for each other. Doing this saves a lot of time trying to locate targets. and adds more fun since the spotter and shooter get to see the results.
Example - "from the rock there is a PD at 2 o'clock about 50 yards out".
 
I should probably seek professional help. If I ever get down to one rifle for prairie dogs I will be “living in a van down by the river” lol.
And honestly if you are “here” more than likely you have more than one rig, or at least one that could be put into service.
 
Good advise from drover for a first timer . I shot from a bipod on a piece of carpet one time. Now it's a bench all the time.
Also, most of my rifles weigh over 15#, 3-20230608_155010.jpg222 rem magnums and a 22BR. The 6ppc in the pic is lighter and a piece of Benchrest history. Formerly owned by Ferris Pindell, one of the inventors of the 6PPC cartridge. He made this action.
 
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It seems that each time there is a post from a new shooter that the suggestions are all over the place as far as calibers, scopes, and other equipment that may be needed.
PD shooting is like most other things in life - it is easy to over complicate it.
I have been shooting PD's and ground squirrels for decades and would like to share some equipment suggestions to the new PD shooter. I am fortunate in that I live in a target rich enviroment, by mid-summer I have usually shot 3000 - 4000 rounds at ground squirrels and PD's.

A lot of new shooters may only go one time because of the expense, time constraints, family obligations, etc. No matter how enjoyable it may be it is not inexpensive.
Before you lay out a lot of money on equipment consider the KISS method - "learn to walk before you try to run".
Don't spend a small fortune buying stuff that is not necessary, after the first trip then you will have a lot better idea of what does and doesn't work for you.

Firearms - an accurate bolt action, a bolt action helps you pace yourself when shooting. You will find that you will take time to make the shot rather than trying quick follow-up shots that often happens with semi-autos.

Cartridge - 223 Rem. with 40 or 50 gr bullets.
Why? Multiple reasons.
Most PD shooting takes place within 300 yards, after that the hit ratio drops quickly and most shooters would agree that hitting is more fun than missing. There is nothing wrong with trying some 400 - 600 yd shots but you will likely soon go back to the shorter ranges for the higher hit probability.
Another reason for the 223 is that if you aren't a handloader there is a good availability of off the shelf ammo at reasonable prices. If you are a handloader the 22 caliber gives a good selection of components from various manufacturers and often at better prices, with brass being reasonably priced and free if you use range pick ups.

Recoil - if you are lucky enough to get into a good PD field 300 or more shots per day are doable and shooting heavier bullets creates more recoil and it will begin to wear on you. Recoil is cumulative. Even a 223 shooting 50 gr bullets can start to wear on you by the end of the day - remember this is supposed to be fun, not an endurance contest where you begin to dread pulling the trigger.

Multiple Firearms - I have mixed emotions about suggesting multiple firearms because the cost another firearm and scope incurs.
If you do take two firearms I suggest that both firearms be for the same cartridge with the same load, by doing that you aren't as likely have to be jumbling drop and drift differences around in your though process. It is amazing at how quickly the drop and drift become intuitive when using the same cartridge and load over and over.
While it is nice to have a couple of firearms in case the shooting gets fast, you can get by with just one by laying a wet rag on the barrel to keep it cooled down.

Scope - Any good variable. There is no point in spending the money for a high magnification scope because of heat and barrel heat mirage it becomes difficult to use much above 15 power anyway. Just be sure that the glass is good enough that it doesn't tire your eye out and cause eyestrain.
A scope with a "fancy" reticle is not necessary - sight in at one-inch high at 100 yards and hold the crosshairs at the top of the head at 300 yards. Basically you can hold on fur from 100 to 300 yards.

Rangefinder - They are handy to have but not absolutely necessary, although they will help you to learn to judge distances better - it is surprising how many of those 400 - 500 yard guesstimates are actually inside of 300 yards.

Binocular - Again they don't have to be top-end, a good pair of 10X that don't give eyestrain will work just fine.

Shooting Table - Nice to have but unless you have a big field with lots of targets setting up and taking down a shooting table becomes a pain in the butt. I generally just use one of the sand filled canvas bags across the hood of my truck because it is faster and makes me more mobile.

Spotting PD's - When I am shooting and spotting with a friend we will try to find some prominent feature in the field, such as a rock, an oddly shaped bush, anything like that so it is easily identifiable and use that as the center of the clock when directing shots for each other. Doing this saves a lot of time trying to locate targets. and adds more fun since the spotter and shooter get to see the results.
Example - "from the rock there is a PD at 2 o'clock about 50 yards out".
When I read your on here it's about spot on to my way of thinking on shooting dogs and gophers here in Montana. One thing I might add is for those coming west to Montana to shot this coming year think about this to save money and time the Dakota's and Wy. all have huge amounts of dogs to shoot so why drive threw huge dog towns to come here when your passing up some of the finest shooting places the country has to offer? And one last thought I enjoy shooting gophers around here as they are a bit smaller than dogs and that makes them harder to hit and makes me a better shot not the less they are all fun to shoot.
 

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When I read your on here it's about spot on to my way of thinking on shooting dogs and gophers here in Montana. One thing I might add is for those coming west to Montana to shot this coming year think about this to save money and time the Dakota's and Wy. all have huge amounts of dogs to shoot so why drive threw huge dog towns to come here when your passing up some of the finest shooting places the country has to offer? And one last thought I enjoy shooting gophers around here as they are a bit smaller than dogs and that makes them harder to hit and makes me a better shot not the less they are all fun to shoot.
A thought came to mind about shooting dogs here in the west that is important to know. While in Billings, Montana Cabela's a few years back. I said to the gun sales counter about being over east to the Crow Indian Fair and seeing huge numbers of dogs out there and was thinking about stopping to shoot some. He said never do that? Why that's all Indian land and you can hunt dogs on it, but they will do to you like they did to me and others. Stop at the head office to get a permit to shot costs a small fee and they will set you in a chair and make you wait till the men who sells them is not busy that will take a long time. Then he will come out and get your money and info and then head out to lunch and you will not see him again till after a long lunch break and buy the time you finally get the permit it's to late to go out and get set up to do much shooting at all. Get the picture they hate white hate whites and will screw you over any way they can... There's so much other land loaded with dogs that is not near them to hunt on you are better of staying away from them. And if they catch you doing one little thing wrong on their land they have their own Indian police like our Highway Patrol and they will fine you to the max and get yourself in a heap of trouble because they hate the whites as well. That's from the someone who did it. advice is don't go there!!!!
 

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Good info here, but you should be ashamed of yourself! EVERYONE knows you need more than 1 rifle! A newby needs to be able to point to that! . I would recommend bringing a .22 rimfire for close work, and a carrying rifle with a bipod for walking. (*See - we are already up to 3 rifles!). Bench shooting builds wind reading and holdover skills, but walkabout shooting builds all skills. Too many ways to enjoy this!
 
I most times have a 22 rim fire 3/ 223 1 a bolt and 2 semi's and then a 22/250 to top it all of...... Every time I go.....
 
I should probably seek professional help. If I ever get down to one rifle for prairie dogs I will be “living in a van down by the river” lol.
And honestly if you are “here” more than likely you have more than one rig, or at least one that could be put into service.
I never take less than 8 rifles and I never take a 22rf. I like to teach them to fly..

Very good suggestions from drover.

As a high volume colony shooter, I found this website while searching for info on loads and accuracy. I have noticed two different approaches to prairie dog shooting from people who post on here. There's nothing wrong with either. Just i can tell what kind of shooter ther are by the information shared. There is the competitive shooter who shoots some prairie dogs. The info usally contains words like ballistic coefficient, heavier bullets, less Wind Drift, larger caliber/cartridge for longer shots, spotting scope, taking time to let your Barrel cool.
And then there's the colony shooter who like me found this website for the information. We say things like rotating bench, elevated shooting position, wet towel or wrap on your Barrel to keep it cool, being able to see your impact so that you can make a correction for the wind or drop, take plenty of ammo.
It's all good info, i just noticed that there is a difference.
 
Many different ways to skin this cat. I agree with most of the comments and disagree with a few - but that’s because what works best for me may not apply for others. Regardless, a person’s first PD shoot involves a steep learning curve. Usually it seems initial focus is on shooting irons and related equipment. That stuff is certainly important. Being prepared for the environment is equally vital. Blazing sun, unrelenting wind, dust, cacti, stinging/biting insects and ever-present rattlesnakes are also part of the game.
 
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I agree with everything Drover says when it comes to new shooters gearing up for their 1st trip.

Eventually you'll tweak a few things......

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One thing I might add is for those coming west to Montana to shot this coming year think about this to save money and time the Dakota's and Wy. all have huge amounts of dogs to shoot so why drive threw huge dog towns to come here when your passing up some of the finest shooting places the country has to offer?
I see what you did there - that is a good ploy. ;):)
 
Being prepared for the environment is equally important. Blazing sun, unrelenting wind, dust, cacti, stinging/biting insects and ever-present rattlesnakes are also part of the game.
Sun, use one of these. Neck protector

The dust and wind will get you. I learned to keep the car doors closed because the dust destroyed a Pentax camera that was lying on the front seat.

For insects, OFF sprayed on the pants and shoes and socks.

For snakes, I always carry a 38 cal Chiefs Special (2"barrel) with the first 3 chambers filled with a snake shot load , and the next two with a hot 38 special. Don't buy a pistol for a first trip, but if you have one get some shot loads for it, and carry it while you are on the prairie.

I agree with drover's suggestions for a first timer, however if you have a 22 rifle or pistol(preferred) bring it for those closer shots.
 
We got in the middle of a heel fly hatch one year, those things are a pita. OFF and DEET, may as well used honey. Had shorts on with short socks. They would land on the socks and reach around and bite. And when I say bite, they would draw blood. In the shower that night had a ring of bites around my ankles. Boots and jeans no issues. Never had them fool with my hands arms face or neck.

As to shirts and skin protection, a hooded fishing shirt is cool and the hood is thin enough to put on and put your cap or hat back on.

As mentioned numerous times already a good pair of binos are way better than a spotting scope most of the time. Eye strain is zero. I found tripod adapters for mine.

I take “enough” guns is all I will admit too. I have cut way back on how much ammo compared to 30+ years ago.
 
Thank you all for the kind words. Hopefully they will be of some value to those thinking of giving PD shooting a try.

The thing that got me started on the post was thinking back the first equipment I used for PD shooting. I used a 222 with an inexpensive Bushnell 3-9 scope for a lot of years and I never felt under gunned or under scoped and I just wanted to let those who are thinking of trying know that it doesn't take thousands of dollars worth of items to hunt them.

Sometimes I think it was more fun back then, at least it was more simple.
A 22 rifle with a 4X scope for gophers and a 222 with an inexpensive Bushnell 3-9 scope killed a lot of critters.

drover
 
drover, agree with your above post. My start was similar to yours in 1968. We just kept at it and evolved both technique and equipment over the years. If we had the internet and forums such as this one back then, it would all have been much easier but not necessarily cheaper. Newbies sure could have avoided the same mistakes we all made when we first started out.

Some of my fondest memories were being about 14-15 years old and roaming the hills/fields with my old Mossberg 22LR with a 4X scope and a box of HP's shooting ground squirrels. Simple. Fun. (And quite a start to the real passion......)
 
My first 22 was a Mossberg also, a model 142A - the one that had the fold down forend on it. It even had a Mossberg marked scope on it. Got it for my 10th birthday and after that there was not a safe ground squirrel in the country.
My son has it now and then it will go down to my grandson eventually - it is still slaying gophers to this day.

To this day I still prefer shooting gophers to shooting PD's - lots more gophers and more challenge.

Good memories

drover
 
I carry a can of yard flogger, wind at our six I spray under and in front of benches. No flies,no see-ums. Wind at 12 spray behind and under seats. Boots pant cuffs, treat with permethrin. No fun when home with chigger, fly, mosquito bites.
 

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