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Smart Advice for Shipping Parts these days

carlsbad

Lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
I have a lot of experience shipping. I can say that I've shipped over 20,000 usps packages personally without a lost package domestically. I toyed with selling to Europe and about 1/3 of the packages went missing at customs so I quit. (this was not firearms related so no ITAR ).

I used to have an ebay business that was high volume with very picky buyers. Never lost an item but I did get a few items chipped during shipping and had to replace them. I learned a lot about packaging and shipping. Here are my tips (applicable any year).

1. Print out a barcoded address label. I use paypal shipping because they give a little discount. You can also use usps.com or stamps.com. Poor addressing, either illegible or water soluble, is responsible for a lot of lost packages. I print my labels on plain paper and cover them completely with clear packing tape to make them waterproof.

2. Use a lot of tape. Except on really heavy things I use clear packing tape. I tape every joint. I cover the mailing label. I double thickness on stress areas. For example small flat rate boxes, the little tabs that hold it together when you assemble need taping. I've received packages open there that a bolt could have fallen out. I like to say , "Tape is your best insurance." For heavy items I supplement with fiberglass reinforced tape.

3. For heavy items, double box and/or solidly pack to make sure there is no room for the heavy item to move. For example, if a barrel can slide 4" in it's package, that is an 8 lb slide hammer and will hammer the end out of the package. I've received barrels hanging out the end. Fortunately the end gets cut off. But if the barrel had come clear out I would have received an empty package. Bullets also have to be dense packed. I can't emphasize how important this is. If possible ship in Flat rate box so you aren't charged extra for all the shipping material and then cram newspaper or other shipping material in until it is jammed full. DO NOT use bubble wrap or peanuts with heavy items. they will pop or crush and then the item will start moving around and break the box. I received a medium flat rate box with 10 boxes of 100 bergers thrown into it loosely, except it was torn open and there were only 5. The insurance claim took months and they held the 5 boxes as evidence while they investigated. I ended up buying another 1000 bullets to shoot in the mean time. More on insurance next.

4. Insurance Policies --I don't recommend USPS insurance unless you need it to sleep at night. It is overpriced for 3 reasons: 1. Fraud. I won't post how people defraud the USPS but they do. 2. poor shipping methods. In the box of bullets above, the USPS paid for half the bullets although it was clearly the fault of the shipper. They also have to pay for a lot of fragile things that were poorly packed or shouldn't have been shipped in the first place. 3. Govt inefficiency. I've calculated that they would have to lose every 10th package to make insurance cost effective and that doesn't take into account the hours you spend collecting it. If you time is worth money, then insurance is never worth it. Now the previous business I mentioned above was a coin business.

Many people in the coin business feel that insuring a package, especially a small package, and putting the "INSURED" stamp on it, is just like writing "steal me" on the package. Expensive coins have traditionally been shipped vis registered mail. To ship registered mail you have to tape every joint on the box with brown paper tape, often for small boxes 100% of the box is taped. You have to ship in person and the clerk will then stamp every joint or seam on the tape with his seal. Then supposedly the registered package is signed for by a postal representative at each location and supposedly kept in a locked area each night. It costs about $12 in addition to postage but downside is, there is no tracking with registered mail and it is slow. But back to insurance. If you can afford to pay for the item you are shipping, then don't insure and be prepared to pay in the unlikely event it is lost. I had 2 bolts go missing recently for a month. I was prepared to pay. I figured it would have cost me $400. But I figure I've pocketed thousands of dollars for insurance I didn't buy. They showed up eventually. If you follow 1 through 3 above, they will almost never get lost. Remember what I said in the first sentence, if you need insurance to sleep at night, then go ahead and buy it. Good sleep is priceless.

I have a lot of guys holding up shipping me bolts right now because the USPS is so jammed up. Good plan. If you don't need to ship right now, I'd wait until things get back to normal.

Jerry
 
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TAPE your name and address on a separate piece of paper as the last item in the box.

On the paper, type, "IF YOU ARE READING THIS, YOU HAVE STOLEN THIS PACKAGE OR TORN THE ORIGINAL LABEL OFF. PLEASE RETURN THIS PACKAGE TO: xxx xxxxxxx"
I always (or almost always) put the recipient's name and address inside the box as recommended here. I am unaware of anyone who has ever received a package after the name was found inside the package. Would be interested to know of someone who did. thanks.

Jerry
 
Good post Jerry! I agree and I take my chances on a single tuner or two. But if I'm shipping several in a box, I go ahead with insurance. And if it's over a certain value, it must be signed for. Pretty sure that they've told me that it is tracked differently too, if insured for over a certain amount. Like the insurance company(for example) has more stringent requirements of usps before they'll pay on a larger claim. Yes, it probably just helps me sleep at night. That's been tough this month, as I have a hefty sum of tuners in the mail system that are still undelivered. The problem didn't appear to me until 12/4/20. Coincidentally, the same day I started a sale on tuners for this month. I haven't even looked at tracking today. I'm pretty sure I'll sleep better tonight that way and it won't change anything. :confused::confused:

I can't complain with usps, overall. They have never completely lost a package that I've shipped. But then again, I've never had this many so late at the same time. It is unprecedented and I hope they all turn up. I've never seen it like this in 22 years..not even close to this bad. I've discontinued shipping usps until at least the first of the year. I'll still take orders and honor the December discounts but I just won't ship right away. Most people have been very understanding.
 
I received a medium flat rate box with 10 boxes of 100 bergers thrown into it loosely, except it was torn open and there were only 5
A picture of 2 boxes of bullets I received. Box on the left was from a forum member. Also contained 10 boxes of Berger bullets when shipped. Luckily, all 10 were still inside, just by luck. The box on the right came from Bluecollarreloading. Notice the difference.

Bullet Packaging.jpg
 
I have a lot of experience shipping. I can say that I've shipped over 20,000 usps packages personally without a lost package domestically. I toyed with selling to Europe and about 1/3 of the packages went missing at customs so I quit. (this was not firearms related so no ITAR ).

I used to have an ebay business that was high volume with very picky buyers. Never lost an item but I did get a few items chipped during shipping and had to replace them. I learned a lot about packaging and shipping. Here are my tips (applicable any year).

1. Print out a barcoded address label. I use paypal shipping because they give a little discount. You can also use usps.com or stamps.com. Poor addressing, either illegible or water soluble, is responsible for a lot of lost packages. I print my labels on plain paper and cover them completely with clear packing tape to make them waterproof.

2. Use a lot of tape. Except on really heavy things I use clear packing tape. I tape every joint. I cover the mailing label. I double thickness on stress areas. For example small flat rate boxes, the little tabs that hold it together when you assemble need taping. I've received packages open there that a bolt could have fallen out. I like to say , "Tape is your best insurance." For heavy items I supplement with fiberglass reinforced tape.

3. For heavy items, double box and/or solidly pack to make sure there is no room for the heavy item to move. For example, if a barrel can slide 4" in it's package, that is an 8 lb slide hammer and will hammer the end out of the package. I've received barrels hanging out the end. Fortunately the end gets cut off. But if the barrel had come clear out I would have received an empty package. Bullets also have to be dense packed. I can't emphasize how important this is. If possible ship in Flat rate box so you aren't charged extra for all the shipping material and then cram newspaper or other shipping material in until it is jammed full. DO NOT use bubble wrap or peanuts with heavy items. they will pop or crush and then the item will start moving around and break the box. I received a medium flat rate box with 10 boxes of 100 bergers thrown into it loosely, except it was torn open and there were only 5. The insurance claim took months and they held the 5 boxes as evidence while they investigated. I ended up buying another 1000 bullets to shoot in the mean time. More on insurance next.

4. Insurance Policies --I don't recommend USPS insurance unless you need it to sleep at night. It is overpriced for 3 reasons: 1. Fraud. I won't post how people defraud the USPS but they do. 2. poor shipping methods. In the box of bullets above, the USPS paid for half the bullets although it was clearly the fault of the shipper. They also have to pay for a lot of fragile things that were poorly packed or shouldn't have been shipped in the first place. 3. Govt inefficiency. I've calculated that they would have to lose every 10th package to make insurance cost effective and that doesn't take into account the hours you spend collecting it. If you time is worth money, then insurance is never worth it. Now the previous business I mentioned above was a coin business.

Many people in the coin business feel that insuring a package, especially a small package, and putting the "INSURED" stamp on it, is just like writing "steal me" on the package. Expensive coins have traditionally been shipped vis registered mail. To ship registered mail you have to tape every joint on the box with brown paper tape, often for small boxes 100% of the box is taped. You have to ship in person and the clerk will then stamp every joint or seam on the tape with his seal. Then supposedly the registered package is signed for by a postal representative at each location and supposedly kept in a locked area each night. It costs about $12 in addition to postage but downside is, there is no tracking with registered mail and it is slow. But back to insurance. If you can afford to pay for the item you are shipping, then don't insure and be prepared to pay in the unlikely event it is lost. I had 2 bolts go missing recently for a month. I was prepared to pay. I figured it would have cost me $400. But I figure I've pocketed thousands of dollars for insurance I didn't buy. They showed up eventually. If you follow 1 through 3 above, they will almost never get lost. Remember what I said in the first sentence, if you need insurance to sleep at night, then go ahead and buy it. Good sleep is priceless.

I have a lot of guys holding up shipping me bolts right now because the USPS is so jammed up. Good plan. If you don't need to ship right now, I'd wait until things get back to normal.

Jerry

A guy I used to work for shipped lots of small, but fairly pricey items. He said he quit insuring things 10 years ago because the time spent chasing his tail at the PO could be better spent making more products. Like you, he figured he could well afford to replace the occasional lost item(s) with the thousands saved in insurance costs and time wasted.
 
Good info for shipping. Ship after holiday's is another good advise. I did not receive my mail today, USPS is very slow, been waiting for three packages and they have been sitting in main post office for four days now. Happy Holiday's to everyone. nilebartram
 
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A picture of 2 boxes of bullets I received. Box on the left was from a forum member. Also contained 10 boxes of Berger bullets when shipped. Luckily, all 10 were still inside, just by luck. The box on the right came from Bluecollarreloading. Notice the difference.

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I bought 4000 bullets from blue collar recently. they came in 4 boxes like you picture above. they each had strofoam custom cut to hold 2 boxes of bullets. totally first class operation. --Jerry
 
If you are shipping heavy item(s) in a USPS Priority Mail box wrap the entire box in stretch wrap. USPS free boxes are very thin, way thinner than a standard 200# commercial carton.
 
I always (or almost always) put the recipient's name and address inside the box as recommended here. I am unaware of anyone who has ever received a package after the name was found inside the package. Would be interested to know of someone who did. thanks.

Jerry
Just one note on this. A long time ago, i worked at UPS. Back when most of the labels were inside one of those plastic sleeves stuck to the box. Naturally, some labels were torn off during the processing. The supervisors would open the box, and look for a packing list or other paper with an address. They really did try to get the package to the recipient. I don't know if they still do that.
Jerry - Those are great tips for shipping, Thanks.
 
Just one note on this. A long time ago, i worked at UPS. Back when most of the labels were inside one of those plastic sleeves stuck to the box. Naturally, some labels were torn off during the processing. The supervisors would open the box, and look for a packing list or other paper with an address. They really did try to get the package to the recipient. I don't know if they still do that.
Jerry - Those are great tips for shipping, Thanks.
Andy, Makes sense to me. I'm sure that long ago when people had the values we grew up with postal workers would go to great lengths to find the sender or intended recipient. Now with machines doing most of the work and human labor so expensive, the post office in the red, and values changing, I don't see them doing it. I wonder what regulations say to do with packages with illegible addresses now (for example).

--Jerry
 
Andy, Makes sense to me. I'm sure that long ago when people had the values we grew up with postal workers would go to great lengths to find the sender or intended recipient. Now with machines doing most of the work and human labor so expensive, the post office in the red, and values changing, I don't see them doing it. I wonder what regulations say to do with packages with illegible addresses now (for example).

--Jerry
I also learned what you said about packaging: Wrap it, pad it, seal it, tape it.
Then, tape it some more!
 

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