Short Headspace

[DShortt]

So once again, someone explain to me why the OP needs to spend any time or money correcting a service he already paid for.

This sort of thing perpetuates our problems in society.

 

[CharlieNC]

Its not just about sizing fired brass. If the bolt will not close on a go gauge, then there is a good chance some brand/type ammo will be to long to chamber as well.

 

[swd]

Time to read the room here.

There are 3 real choices,
Take it back to bubba and make him re do it correctly.
Take it to someone that he has confidence will do it right
Buy or borrow a savage but wrench and learn to do it himself.

My vote if he has any mechanical skill is the last one.

He needs advice on a good vise. Any takers?

 

[J.D.Erwin]

So once again, someone explain to me why the OP needs to spend any time or money correcting a service he already paid for.

This sort of thing perpetuates our problems in society.

The OP needs to correct the headscape on his barrel action for his own safety the possibility of losing you eye or hand and or arm I don't you put a price on whats that worth for me its priceless

 

[DShortt]

The OP needs to correct the headscape on his barrel action for his own safety the possibility of losing you eye or hand and or arm I don't you put a price on whats that worth for me its priceless

I think that's a bit dramatic but as he's already paid someone to do this for him why should he pay for it twice or more?

This is on the shop he took his rifle to, not his burden to bear. At the VERY least they should refund his money.

 

[DShortt]

There are 3 real choices,
Take it back to bubba and make him re do it correctly.
Take it to someone that he has confidence will do it right
Buy or borrow a savage but wrench and learn to do it himself.

My vote if he has any mechanical skill is the last one.

Not without a refund at the very least. I'm very confused why anyone thinks the shop is off the hook on this.

 

[Gary in MD]

Has the OP called his “gunsmith” and told him he is unhappy with the work? Tell the guy that you want the thing done over with the correct gauge and set up right. If he won’t do something to make it right or give money back then maybe you need to go to plan”C”.
Of course it would have been nice to get it right the first time but sometimes you get what you pay for…

 

[DShortt]

Has the OP called his “gunsmith” and told him he is unhappy with the work? Tell the guy that you want the thing done over with the correct gauge and set up right. If he won’t do something to make it right or give money back then maybe you need to go to plan”C”.
Of course it would have been nice to get it right the first time but sometimes you get what you pay for…

This is more nonsense. He requested a service, paid for it and waited quite a while to get it done and then it wasn't performed correctly.
If you agree to perform a service it should be performed correctly. To say if he wanted it done correctly he should have paid more is absurd.

Explain to me why you think otherwise.

 

[swd]

It doesn’t take anymore time time set headspace to a go gage then it does a cartridge. Why the bubba did it that way when the client supplied gages is a mystery.

Even if I have the gage and the client supplies a gage I’m going to use the clients gage!

 

[wyshadow]

So what actions are you considering at this point?

I took the gun with the Go and NoGo gauges back to the gunsmith, and told him I need the headspace set with the gauges I provided. I then said I wanted my action back I dropped off weeks ago. This action I wanted him to take off the burned out 243 barrel and ream it out to the 6mm Remington reamer that I provided. I'm going to find another competed gunsmith but it just seems like they are hard to come by.

 

[DShortt]

I swear to Christ I don't understand these responses.
I should open a business I guess. Apparently I can agree to do a job, take too long, screw it up and expect my customers to think 'Oh, well. I'll fix it myself. If I wanted it done right I should have paid more.'

WTH?

 

[DShortt]

I took the gun with the Go and NoGo gauges back to the gunsmith, and told him I need the headspace set with the gauges I provided. I then said I wanted my action back I dropped off weeks ago. This action I wanted him to take off the burned out 243 barrel and ream it out to the 6mm Remington reamer that I provided. I'm going to find another competed gunsmith but it just seems like they are hard to come by.

OMG. Run away.

 

[Riesel]

Time to read the room here.

The OP has a factory stock rifle action, and he supplied the barrel, which I am assuming to be an after-market 308. He states he tried to do the barrel replacement in the past and quit due to vise issues.

He supplied parts and go/no go.

He wanted a SAAMI set up, and gave parts to do the same.

Instead he got a BUBBA.

He doesn't need to adjust dies, or measure bullets, or fire cartridges to reach his (apparent) objective...a SAAMI set up, safe, functional and within norms. He just needs a vise and some help putting together his "nut and barrel" set-up using the go/no go.

So, I agree with his stated intent: Buy a good vise, get some tutalage on using it to properly de-nut and re-nut (I couldn't resist) his Savage and he should be good to go.

He needs advice on a good vise. Any takers?

Precisely

 

[DShortt]

Is there REALLY a shortage of competent gunsmiths such as it appears in this thread? I'm just astonished that it's difficult to expect a 'gunsmith' working in a gunshop to know how to correctly headspace a barrel. And can't get it right with a barrel nut and supplied gauges?

I can't even begin to state how absurd this is.

I'm lookin' at the calendar and it ain't April 1st.

 

[wyshadow]

Is there REALLY a shortage of competent gunsmiths such as it appears in this thread? I'm just astonished that it's difficult to expect a 'gunsmith' working in a gunshop to know how to correctly headspace a barrel. And can't get it right with a barrel nut and supplied gauges?

I can't even begin to state how absurd this is.

I'm lookin' at the calendar and it ain't April 1st.

Maybe it's just me. The last gunsmith I use to go to checked himself in a VA hospital without telling anyone. It took about two months until everyone found out he left town. I think there were a dozen people who were trying to get their guns back from him. One guy said his friend had 4 rifles he gave to the gunsmith to work on over a year ago. The gunsmith was considered the best in town until all this happened.

 

[DShortt]

Appreciate the information. Maybe there really is a shortage.

Anyone else care to comment?

 

[Acyr]

Appreciate the information. Maybe there really is a shortage.

Anyone else care to comment?

As reported earlier this really is a simple fix. A couple of Savage action wrenches and he is back up and running in no time.

 

[expiper]

I took the gun with the Go and NoGo gauges back to the gunsmith, and told him I need the headspace set with the gauges I provided. I then said I wanted my action back I dropped off weeks ago. This action I wanted him to take off the burned out 243 barrel and ream it out to the 6mm Remington reamer that I provided. I'm going to find another competed gunsmith but it just seems like they are hard to come by.

you have NOT found a competent gunsmith yet--i hope you know you cant make a 243 into a 6mm rem without shortening the bbl a lot--and bbls wear out all the way thru--dont waste your money on this old bbl--roger

 

[DShortt]

As reported earlier this really is a simple fix. A couple of Savage action wrenches and he is back up and running in no time.

It's very simple if you understand the process to be sure. If you pay someone to do it for you and that person doesn't understand the process that's a problem.

My question relates to how difficult is it to find an honest person who understands the work they take on when it relates to firearms?

I try very hard to treat people as I want to be treated. Unfortunately not everyone behaves in a fashion that I can treat them as I want to be treated. So I largely keep to myself.

And I'm not even a little bit interested in gunsmithing. Simply trying to understand the situation overall.

 

[Acyr]

Yes unfortunately, it seems that the world is moving in that direction. Trying to find anyone qualified to do the job or just return a phone call is getting harder by the day.